Return of Reckoning

Actually everyone i know try to be around 300 ini, (d)elves have it easier cos their base is around 180 - and thats 20%+ to be critted . If you are running below 150 ini you might no even bother -you will be critted into oblivion anyway.

Now lets talk about that gibberish you all love to repeat blindly: full Ini costs 34 rr (not 40rr kek) and that is 120 ini. Also it grants ~5 dodge as bonus.

Lets go on with numbers : Sw tactis steals 80 ini (and is cleansable), this can stack with BL proc (+84 = 164 total), Conq proc (+100= 180). So its 180 max. Not 200 , 300 or over9000.
Again 10% proc is definitely not

rmpl wrote: spamable 100% crit anyway and EVEN IF destro specs into ini/gets ini talis they might survive a might longer but they'll will lose a lot of potential avoidance/crit.

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So much knowledge such pain that truth hurts my eyes.

I'll repeat myself :
Use of cleanse and respective tactics by healers out of BL farming. Also Subj cloak ftw.
Zeal really 100% uptime buff reduce that ini steal to 30 (proc: 114 with BL, 130 with Conq).
Also BO statsteal ini buff reduce ini debuff to ridiculously small amounts, thou chances of stealing ini are pretty meh.

BG's specced mid tree has an incoming crit debuff cut by 1/2 on protector and self, also that core 20% enemy crit debuff - basically shutting conq boots+Subj+45rr down with one 5s cd ability that lasts 10s and thats ok and balanced.

So we come back to the my main point:

Use of Rare Fortune items in mix ( 2 set bonus +58 ini also high ini on items so you basically counter SW tactic), ini and tough talis instead of going full armor. Combined with zeal buff it negates SW in Conq with that nasty proc.
But i get it you don't want to adapt or improve - you have your 180 armor talis slotted and dont wanna change them. Its easier to just whine on forum instead.

And funniest part is that destro has access to stackable target received crit % increase, while order has only 1. \o/

Edit: set procs cant be cleansed.

No, order has access to the same things and better of a 2% pre Chosen CS change, the point of the build is that

-it dont need conq proc as other class debuff ini aswell

-ini is hard to stack, this build force you into a loosing game where there are no good alternative so you gona spend uneffectively the rp

full sign for you forsa .... thats the ****.

Und Valfaros bevor Du heulst ... nimm Dir diesen kleinen Guide des Herren an. Nicht alles ist immer OP sondern es liegt oft am eigenen Unvermögen auch mal andere Taktiken Skillungen und Setups auszuprobieren bevor man immer und immer und immer und immer heult!

If you are doing numbers you need to know the numbers

1. There are classes with as low base ini as 123 and gear + specs that dont even reach 250 base ini with 34 pts in ini (example melee heal dok).

2. WS is spammable and stack with other ini debuffs since it is of type tactic (chp used to have the mirror).

3 BG FoF only grant armor buff to DP as far as I know and is a 13pts ability. So it has no influence at all on this.

4. Most you know != most players. Im guessing 80% dont spec ini with rr or slot tallies

5. Zele ini buff normally is shattered/severed and the BO statsteal is very random

Also note that the top skill of the central mastery path for BG isn’t a flat -45% to be critted, but a reduction of 45% on the opponent’s chance to crit. Basically doesn’t counter the ini debuf. If you have 12% crit chance, you will fall to 6% (not -33%). But since you will be 98,2% to be critted, you will be critted everytime anyway.
Let’s go, admitt... it’s fully broken XD

Absolutely agree, all this assault sw's absolutely dominating sc's and rvr, destroying those few destro players who still struglling to fight back, are out of control. This need to be dealt immediately or apocalypse will come!

feel free to check one of dalgri saved vods. had ripgor kyranria and 2 experienced high rr tanks. 6v6d even them with relative ease (relative ease and ripgor in same sentence shows something up) using kajtarn melee sw. we were also using melee heal wp; that's how sure we were of pressure being overwhelming.

peterthepan3 wrote:feel free to check one of dalgri saved vods. had ripgor kyranria and 2 experienced high rr tanks. 6v6d even them with relative ease (relative ease and ripgor in same sentence shows something up) using kajtarn melee sw. we were also using melee heal wp; that's how sure we were of pressure being overwhelming.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/230650719
Minute: 48

forsa wrote:Sw tactis steals 80 ini (and is cleansable), this can stack with BL proc (+84 = 164 total), Conq proc (+100= 180). So its 180 max. Not 200 , 300 or over9000.

nice attempt. SMs blade enchantment is 120 and stacks.

306 ini 3.4% change to be crit unbuffed and i got one shot.
Didnt even had time to swap to Da Greenest or pot.
After that i swapped to full conq and even than the dmg was insane.
It all has to do with SW spammable ini debuff.
Also people saying it can be cleansed, nice try with a spammable debuff.

Dalgrimar wrote:306 ini 3.4% change to be crit unbuffed and i got one shot.
Didnt even had time to swap to Da Greenest or pot.
After that i swapped to full conq and even than the dmg was insane.
It all has to do with SW spammable ini debuff.
Also people saying it can be cleansed, nice try with a spammable debuff.

A spamable debuff that can be also covered by 2 spamable dots if needed