Increase Winner AND Loser Emblems from Isha/EC SC

[wargrimnir]

I'll poke my head in to remind OP, the 6v6 scens were setup so the elite 6man groups had a structured format to fight in. It wasn't about creating a second tier of scenarios that has better stuff. Just solely bashing your heads against the best of the best to see who was better.

The pug scen however was created to introduce a second tier, a lesser tier, where individual "skill" is the only thing you can really rely on. Where tanks carry 2h weapons, forget to guard, and chase kiting ranged classes. Where healers spec dps for the lulz, the lazer beams, and of course for the ladies. The pug scen is a forced handicap, where instead of being in a group, you're in the lowest common denominator of groups. You're one of the many, the blissfully unaware, those who use default UI, the noobs if you will. Also the lazy and barely awake.

There is no glory in the pug scen. They are wet noodle fights filled with baseless accusations of cheating, and guildies trying to avoid each other because "ew grouping". It's the kindergarten of scenarios. The crayons are flavored, the glue flows freely into the mouths of the uninitiated, and half the valiant soldiers on the battlefield are wearing diapers. Whether they're noobs, or veterans too lazy to care if they **** themselves.

At least if you fight in the 6v6 scens you can do so with some honor and dignity. There's no amount of rewards that could grant you that great privilege.

[peterthepan3]

/5 LFM for free emblem farming afking 6 man scenarios

I get a solo person trying to game the system, afking in an sc or sitting on a BO for free stuff.
But getting an entire grp to this? You really have no faith in the Community.

Now the real issue is when a grp goes in and gets stomped within the first minute and then sits at the spawn for the rest of the match.
So put in a condition that if domination kicks in losing side gets existing rewards. Right?

This sounds reasonable.

I echo your thoughts re entire groups being formed to do just that. I think it would be nice if people showed a bit more confidence, given that nearly everyone knows one another in this closeknit community...

[Penril]

/5 LFM for free emblem farming afking 6 man scenarios

I get a solo person trying to game the system, afking in an sc or sitting on a BO for free stuff.
But getting an entire grp to this? You really have no faith in the Community.

Now the real issue is when a grp goes in and gets stomped within the first minute and then sits at the spawn for the rest of the match.
So put in a condition that if domination kicks in losing side gets existing rewards. Right?

Isn't that pretty much the same thing?

[peterthepan3]

@wargrimnir

I understand that is the purpose the scenarios were originally designed for, but are the points I have made concerning group play incentives, motivating people to carry on trying - even if they lose - etc., not valid ones? One only need to take a look at the situation of group play atm (or lack, thereof). Lest it appear that I am tooting my own horn, I dare say other people could vouch for this. Would it not be beneficial to have more people engaging in group play?

I do not claim to have a definitive answer to alleviating the aforementioned, but 'what's the harm in trying?' is essentially what I'm getting at. The competitive scene is dead, there is very little reason to group (as I explained in OP)...etc.

[bloodi]

Isn't that pretty much the same thing?

For some people one is their fault and the other is fault of everyone else in the sc.

And by some i mean a lot.

Also lol @ "we would be fair about it, i swear guys". You had endless bitching with the guards in Caledor Woods and punting people in the Citadel, the same would happen here.

[peterthepan3]

Isn't that pretty much the same thing?

For some people one is their fault and the other is fault of everyone else in the sc.

And by some i mean a lot.

Also lol @ "we would be fair about it, i swear guys". You had endless bitching with the guards in Caledor Woods and punting people in the Citadel, the same would happen here.

I'm not sure what there would be to bitch about...

"Omg you're leeching my emblems"

...is literally the only thing I could come up with.

[dansari]

What about more equitable rewards for closer fights and substantially decreased rewards for one sided fights? Something like:

500v0 : 2 emblems for winner, 1 for loser
500v50: 4 emblems for winner, 2 for loser
500v100: 6 emblems for winner, 3 for loser
500v300: 10 emblems for winner, 5 for loser
500v400: 15 emblems for winner, 10 for loser

[szejoza]

The more I think about it the more I see the 'new potential pugs' as a cannon fodder for the already established ones

Around 80% of the server playtime is about pugging, people group up for events/smallscale for few hours a week, the rest is pugging as much as possible. I see no reason to promote low quality groups only to get more 'premade' action.
If people want to, they will group no matter the rewards, giving bigger rewards for creation of 'premade' will bring nothing but salt and dissapointment

[xtc1999]

What about more equitable rewards for closer fights and substantially decreased rewards for one sided fights? Something like:

500v0 : 2 emblems for winner, 1 for loser
500v50: 4 emblems for winner, 2 for loser
500v100: 6 emblems for winner, 3 for loser
500v300: 8 emblems for winner, 5 for loser
500v400: 15 emblems for winner, 10 for loser

good idea, but would require the rework of points in EC/isha/CW

[Fallenkezef]

What about more equitable rewards for closer fights and substantially decreased rewards for one sided fights? Something like:

500v0 : 2 emblems for winner, 1 for loser
500v50: 4 emblems for winner, 2 for loser
500v100: 6 emblems for winner, 3 for loser
500v300: 10 emblems for winner, 5 for loser
500v400: 15 emblems for winner, 10 for loser

FINALY a decent idea!

This is the best way to encourage effort and teamwork