SM spirit debuff

[trebla]

Woh stacks with blade enchant to where is the proof that it stacks with kotbs aura

[GodlessCrom]

You could easily test if either stacks. Grab a kotbs buddy and go test on mobs. Resist debuffs work on them. Could also grab a destro pal and test on them.

[Foomy44]

It's as if you told the dwarfs to not run Ancestral Inheritance tactic cause it works only against physical damage.

Ancestral Inheritance helps against about 8 destro classes, all auto attacks, and most PvE mobs, including those at keep sieges. Spirit resist tactic on a destro helps defend against 1-2 order classes. Pretty massive difference in how useful those talents are, and having to use 1/4 of your tactic slots on a talent that is useless in most scenarios just because an SM might be around the corner is pretty ridiculous IMO.

Edit: I have an RR40+ SM and his spirit debuffing feels too strong, especially considering the single target damage he can put out while remaining extremely tanky. And I have 2 tanky greenskins that I have to run that tactic on most of the time because if I don't and a good SM shows up I've already lost.

[szejoza]

I'm not talking it is in anyway viable option, but if it's a big problem for someone (which imo isn't, as you don't stumble on such a combo too often) then most carreers are equipped with a tool to counter it to some extent.

Debuff stacking is another story, and imo shouldn't stack (except for morales+skills maybe) but this is the current state and just my personal opinion

[Charon]

If our fellow desies are so oposite to current HB shape how should it be changed. I dont mind geting something more usfull than limied in use single target resist debuff. Some proposition maybe... I want remind you that HB is core part of SM mechanic and stacking nerf will break it completly. So... do you have any interesting idea?.

[peterthepan3]

Oh wow, now they want to nerf SM dmg forgetting that: a) dominator 5th piece is needed for huge damage, so bis gear; b) a well played BO like dalgri or xarrox can dish out just as much damage (loudmouth ftw).

The damage in full dom IS huge, but it should be. Make wods have a 5 second cd , which would allow good groups to interrupt and apply 5 sec cd debuff, and gg.

[Collateral]

Oh wow, now they want to nerf SM dmg forgetting that: a) dominator 5th piece is needed for huge damage, so bis gear; b) a well played BO like dalgri or xarrox can dish out just as much damage (loudmouth ftw).

The damage in full dom IS huge, but it should be. Make wods have a 5 second cd , which would allow good groups to interrupt and apply 5 sec cd debuff, and gg.

No one here said they want to nerf SM, or I didn't see it at least. Double resist debuff was always a bit controversial considering how the majority of people think stacking in the game works. But so many things are weird when it comes to stacking that it doesn't really surprise me.

[shaggyboomboom]

Oh wow, now they want to nerf SM dmg forgetting that: a) dominator 5th piece is needed for huge damage, so bis gear; b) a well played BO like dalgri or xarrox can dish out just as much damage (loudmouth ftw).

The damage in full dom IS huge, but it should be. Make wods have a 5 second cd , which would allow good groups to interrupt and apply 5 sec cd debuff, and gg.

No one here said they want to nerf SM, or I didn't see it at least. Double resist debuff was always a bit controversial considering how the majority of people think stacking in the game works. But so many things are weird when it comes to stacking that it doesn't really surprise me.

maybe they should stop getting offended and actually learn how it works

[Penril]

The only issue I see is KotBS aura stacking with HB. In ORvR you could potentially have everyone's Corp/Ele resists perma-double-debuffed, which is a huge bonus to zergling AoE BWs. Double Spirit debuff is meh in this case; how many AoE spirit attacks does Order have? (same reason why WoH stacking with KotBS aura is not an issue). My solution would be to let WoH stack with everything, and HB only stack with WoH.

For small scale, 6-man groups usually run KotBS/SM, and if the SM is using HB that means he is not using stat steal unless he does some weird Stance dance that very few SMs do (yeah it is doable, but you have to wait for a NB proc that debuffs the stat you want, AND then swap to HB AND by the time it procs, you only have a few seconds left on the stat steal). Balanced, i guess...

For solo... yeah, we don't care about solo.

[Bozzax]

”Synergy” makes BS way to potent when you have another inidebuff + max crit assist train (all having aa haste tactics)