[Shaman] Totally Un-viable?

[freshour]

Yeah I think that is a big part of the Shaman. You need to use your utility more IE - morale gain, sticky feetz, resist buff, toughness buff - and your healing less. And rely on the other healer in your group for the oh SH** heals lol? IS that a better way to look at it?

I mean, there's more to playing a support than throwing big heal numbers otherwise every DoK / WP would stack pure willpower and no defenses

Oh I completely agree. I didn't mean it to sound like the Shammy is weak. I meant that it excels in other means - not just healing. Like the DoK can sit and be hit by 2-3 people and if guarded can survive for quite a while. A shammy can outrun a warband lol, but also aoe detaunt and tactic detaunt and so forth and use its mobility as well as utility.

I think I was just looking at the class all wrong in the beginning. It is a healer that is less about large amounts of healing and more about utility and surviving. Which makes sense. I'm still working on how to make it heal a lot too . I hope I can figure it out.

[Nameless]

The thing is that there is alittle to none utility whatsoever from shamans/ams.
Beside the pudle there is nothing interesting. I would like to see change on the resist buff and some love to ere we go afer that may be mirror to ams

[Arconnn]

Yeah I think that is a big part of the Shaman. You need to use your utility more IE - morale gain, sticky feetz, resist buff, toughness buff - and your healing less. And rely on the other healer in your group for the oh SH** heals lol? IS that a better way to look at it?

I mean, there's more to playing a support than throwing big heal numbers otherwise every DoK / WP would stack pure willpower and no defenses

Oh I completely agree. I didn't mean it to sound like the Shammy is weak. I meant that it excels in other means - not just healing. Like the DoK can sit and be hit by 2-3 people and if guarded can survive for quite a while. A shammy can outrun a warband lol, but also aoe detaunt and tactic detaunt and so forth and use its mobility as well as utility.

I think I was just looking at the class all wrong in the beginning. It is a healer that is less about large amounts of healing and more about utility and surviving. Which makes sense. I'm still working on how to make it heal a lot too . I hope I can figure it out.

Shaman is arguably more tanky than a DoK due to stacking detaunts when locked down, but if you can't lock down a shaman you'll have a hard time hitting him in the first place
It's weaker healing than a DoK, I don't think anyone can dispute that
Healing wise you just generally HoT everyone and toughness HoT whoever is getting focused then spam AoE heal (or Single target if heavy focus on 1 guy) and in terms of kiting while healing I'd say it's weaker than a DoK though you can continue to run forever while a DoK will have to stand still at a point in time
and yes, you're going to have to rely on your zealot slightly more for healing to buffer your 2 second casts but it's not that big of a deal, you have to rely on your zealot a lot as Dok anyway to sustain HoT's and when you cast Blood offering for more than 1 tick

[Arconnn]

The thing is that there is alittle to none utility whatsoever from shamans/ams.
Beside the pudle there is nothing interesting. I would like to see change on the resist buff and some love to ere we go afer that may be mirror to ams

Ap Drain, crazy morale gain, puddle is quite great, Shrug it off is amazing now, Toughness buff, Ranged cast silence
hmm

[dansari]

Shamans are in a great place. There are very few counters to a good shaman and some shammies (Arnagob, Landy, Morfee) have such high avoidance, renown abilities, and defense it's hardly worth focusing them in the first place, which is almost better than having high heal numbers.

[freshour]

Yeah I was enjoying it for the ranged silence primarily, I need to work on a level of int to achieve to avoid all the dang disrupts though. I'm sure those guys have a bit more than I do or just try extremely hard to find a good target. But I do like the Shaman considerably more for RVR that is 100% certain.

Still trying to figure out if playing the mechanic is at all possible, I just wish I'll take that wasn't so dang disruptable lol.

[arnagob]

Yes im drunk at this time.

Ok i will stop you in your shaman is good and ****...! well this class is , oh **** im already out of AP (5s fight)
Ok so now? IF U DON'T HAVE A DAMN GOB BRAIN don't play this class please. (sadly i have one :s)
Ok now the title is 90% true, except the shaman healer is only a true beast in A RDPS GROUP ONLY, if u disagree whit it i hope u have good arguments or u are one of thoose pewpew shamans (pewpew shaman = only knodwlege whit FODG spam, back on ab ex= brainless, sad maybe but true.)
Ok so now, i will talk about my experience in WAR LIVE and ROR :
LIVE = LMAO i can kite 1-2 warbands.
RoR = LMAO i cant die! OH **** I TRIED TO HEAL MY FRIEND BUT NO AP LEFT AND I DIE ASWELL :s

That's my point of view about shaman at the october 11 2017.

For all thoose shaman who think this class is GOOD just reroll Dok or either Zealot (or order WP/RP)

I hope u have really good arguments, i've played this class for like 4-5 years now.

Anyway im still , GOBBO FOR LIFE

[arnagob]

This message is mostly for you Freshour, you wanted to know how to play shaman by the help of peoples in forum... just epic ****

Mostly answers, i read them all are just a true joke (for me).

Yes you can heal well but will be stopped fast by the AP regen. (tactic or not). Just wait the new set whit AP proc might be a good thing.

WE CAN'T really help you how to play this class, even more on forum whit the pewpew shamans (izi to find them to be honest)

But you seems to have a god damn gobbo brain so i hope you gonna enjoy playing it

Just remeber is the 3rd best healer on destro side

[Dabbart]

^^^ Unless you're in a Kite group. Or are trying to counter zerg. Or are in a RDPS heavy group. Or in a Greenskin racial group. Or if you are in a group that caters(IE builds) to helping the sham(and rest of the party) with AP.

Yes. The AP is rough. But we don't have to use Blood Offering every 6s either. Every healer has their place. Between DoK and sham for 2nd healer is group dependant imo. Z is in a great place atm.

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Miszcu do you prefer RD over CW for a shammie? Or do you take both at RR50? I'm finding CW2 and full Deft Defender at RR41 to be the most survivable.

Yes I do. With this and detaunt, autodetaunt and armorI I have a chance to heal even if pressured. With CW I have greater chance to escape. My personal preferences is to try to heal.
Deft defender is a must ofc.

If you are worried about BW ... all fun for them starts 5sec after Boiling Blood, yes? So: BB lands (enemy will tell you when for example) - DSU - bubble - 2s heal. Coz of global cooldown your heal should heal just after his BB hit. DSU will cover one of his dot. And bubble cover some other hit (or big part of it). Ofc if your defensive target is properly debuffed and assisted it won't be enough but... not all BW are pros with pocket premade

Interesting. Yea, timing BB is pretty easy(Same with WoP). Same with SWs and slayers. Their DPS timing is pretty simple to stay ahead of. Engi's and WLs catch me off guard though. I feel like if I can't/don't see the damage coming, then I get stuck playing catch-up and people die.

You're right about CW being escapist. I've dropped auto-detaunt for AP tactic, so the DoTs I gather up can be quite vicious. But I tend to use m2 FM on CD... I'll try running RD next time though. Thanks.

[dansari]

Lol I remember spamming Spiral Fletched Arrow at Arnagob in a Tor Anroc sc for 130 a pop, so hearing him drunk talk about how shammy is **** is funny. Bottom line is, yes there are drawbacks (AP) and with that drawback (even though you can no-immunity lock down a target for however long you like with AP drain) you can kite warbands... Something no other class can do.