Return of Reckoning

peterthepan3 wrote:The only difficulty I see in having more than one map in the pool for a pug only scenario is that I would wager the vast majority of pugs - upon finding out about the pug-only sc - will queue exclusively for that. Having more than one map = more pug-only scenario pops. Given that around 80-100 people - if that - may be queuing for scenarios during prime-time - most of whom are pugs - having more than one pug scenario will render premade pops incredibly slow to pop, which could just potentially kill off the scene (particularly for NA)

Hopefully since we have had many voters who know that this is coming we should be able to have a pug sc that pops rather frequently for the initial period, if the full system was the come into play then premades would only ever face other premades (3 or more) and pugs would only face pugs, there is no way to know how the overall population balance will be hit until its tested, and for the moment going with just the one scenario should eliminate a few of the major concerns.

From a personal standpoint even if longer queue times were there it seems to me that it would be a better system regardless, if I wanted to pug I could have no worry of just being stomped by premades game after game, and if I wanted to play with my buddies I could go into a game of equal co-ordination. It eliminates the whole pramades stomping pugs (regardless if they want to or not) and the whole group if you want to play scenarios arguments, as we have seen there are some people who do not have the time for this, so even just one scenario is going to grant them a bit more freedom and general fun overall. It may in the end also help premades get the better fights they want since they will be fighting on almost even grounds, it could even help the scene, who knows.

While I don't agree that longer queue times for premades would be a better system, I agree that this could be a step forward in ensuring some more balanced/competitive PvP for both sides. Looking forward to see what happens.

Voted yes. Unfortunately as much common sense as it makes to say "get in a group and stop whining", PUGs getting into a group of their own just never has been, is not, and will never be the reality of this server. There is always going to be a large chunk of solo players at any given time.

Twyxx wrote:Voted yes. Unfortunately as much common sense as it makes to say "get in a group and stop whining", PUGs getting into a group of their own just never has been, is not, and will never be the reality of this server. There is always going to be a large chunk of solo players at any given time.

Cause its so difficult to type /5 LFM SC's and starting a group. Now people won't even bother trying to form premades which hurts the whole population.

Sadly whether we like it or not it's just how the pop is, which is why I said yes.

Succumb to the status quo, good thinking

Luuca wrote:edit by Penril - Again, limit yourself to voting Yes/No.

Edit some, ignore others. GG

I voted yes, but with some concern regarding the people worried around NA time where population in T4 is around ~100 players. Let me make an example:

There are 3 groups queued, 2 from order and 1 from destro. Does that mean that for the "premades" there will only be 1 scenario popping limiting in a 6x6 (since in destro side there is that one group of 6 people) - making the 2nd order group need to wait until this particular "premade" scenario ends until get a shot? Or will this 2nd order group that was left out join in as well in the pug "rotation"? I hope you can understand what I mean.

Premade groups can move to ORvR if scen pops aren't fast enough for them. If the majority of the population is solo-queuers (as poll seems to suggest), then they shouldn't suffer because the minority enjoys the easy renown. Premades now aren't queuing looking for a fair fight or a challenge. They are queuing because scenarios are the quickest way of farming renown, and its super easy when encountering PUG groups that can't get a single kill against your group.