Destro are... mean?

[Penril]

ORVR servers you were flagged 24/7.
LotD you were flagged 24/7.

This is a part of the game imo.

how many ORvR servers did WAR had in the end?

Right...

[Danielle]

ORVR servers you were flagged 24/7.
LotD you were flagged 24/7.

This is a part of the game imo.

However this is not an ORvR server as much as some (including myself) would wish it to be.

[roadkillrobin]

ORVR servers you were flagged 24/7.
LotD you were flagged 24/7.

This is a part of the game imo.

how many ORvR servers did WAR had in the end?

Right...

Noone even did PQ's the last 3 years of this game. Was no point in having ORVR servers as neither PVE or Prior tier had anything to do with the campain anymore. However I don't see any problems except being chicken in lower tiers by having everyone being flagged all the time.

[Penril]

ORVR servers you were flagged 24/7.
LotD you were flagged 24/7.

This is a part of the game imo.

how many ORvR servers did WAR had in the end?

Right...

Noone even did PQ's the last 3 years of this game. Was no point in having ORVR servers as neither PVE or Prior tier had anything to do with the campain anymore.

Damn, I didn't know RoR had integrated PvE and prior tiers to the campaign...

[roadkillrobin]

Damn, I didn't know RoR had integrated PvE and prior tiers to the campaign...

Well it does since people actually do the PQ's now and use the gear to PVP, and that means PVE and PQ's have a direct impact on RVR again.

WE actually had a 6man up the other day defending lowbies from gankers in our PQ in Eatine.

[Collateral]

Don't see a reason to do this other than trying to be an nuisance.

Oh come on, we rolled in there once and said a bunch of crap for fun. We didn't camp there and stop people from doing the pq. It's fun to show up with an entire warband once in a while. Try it out before saying anything, I say.

Personally I think it's fun to show up with a warband at an enemy PQ, but you have to realise people are there for the PvE. As noted before, people get flagged in the Eataine warcamp as it's the easiest flight destination, and it causes people to be flagged for PvP even though they have the intention to do PvE. As it is an Order only PQ, it's sort of rude to stomp people who stand no chance against a full warband. The same goes for Order people raiding Destruction PQs; the choice to partake in PvP at a PvE spot should be the player's voluntary decision by flagging themselves.

There are also PQs in the world that are focused around fighting the enemy realm's players; these shared objective PQs such as Kron Komar Gap in Mount Bloodhorn are a legitimised place to band together against the enemy; killing them so they can't complete their objective, while your realm can.

All in all, war is everywhere, you can get killed anywhere as long as you're flagged, but the PvP flagging needs to be corrected so that PvE players don't get as stomped as easily and often, in my opinion.

Well if I'm being honest, I don't look at ruin PQs as PvE. They are farmed by people who want to get gear for PvP, without having to do RvR or any PvP. So you could call these raids a tactical move as well, preventing your opponents from gearing up, but that's really retarded imo.

But again as I said, we only ever come in once, we don't camp the PQ. Of course it would be very rude to camp the PQ and prevent everyone from doing it. Order did this to me once in T1, just out of spite and being dickheads. I, and other players, had no intention of PvP, yet they camped the PQ and killed anyone who tried to do it. I'm not ponting fingers, as destro might have done it as well, I'm just saying that it's rude indeed.

It's unfortunate that the FM is in the RvR area, so that obviously needs to be fixed first. I guess it would be even funnier to just give them a little scare, when the whole wb appears out of nowhere

If the devs forbid these raids, I won't do them, and I'm sure our wb won't do them either.

[bloodi]

What is up with this argument of "well they were doing it to farm things for pvp so that is pvp"

With that same logic everything you ever do ingame is with the purpose to someday do pvp, from crafting to killing your first level 1 mob or doing the first quest.

If you wanted to gank people who had no chance, that is fine, dont come up with weird logic to justify it.

[Penril]

Most of those who farm Ruin are lowbies or just trying to leech some XP. It is not rare to see lvl 20s there. Also, sometimes they don´t have a tank or heals; they pretty much have to kite the boss (note for Torque: make PQ bosses unkitable ). Their gear is crap (mix of Sentry/Echelon is not uncommon) and on top of that, several of them are running PvE tactics. At least ToVL gave you a warning that you were being invaded, giving you enough time to swap gear/tactics and prepare for PvP.

[roadkillrobin]

Doesnt matter if you see an issue or not, its not your call to make

DId I ever claim that it's my call? I'm just stating my opinion.

Most of those who farm Ruin are lowbies or just trying to leech some XP. It is not rare to see lvl 20s there. Also, sometimes they don´t have a tank or heals; they pretty much have to kite the boss (note for Torque: make PQ bosses unkitable ). Their gear is crap (mix of Sentry/Echelon is not uncommon) and on top of that, several of them are running PvE tactics. At least ToVL gave you a warning that you were being invaded, giving you enough time to swap gear/tactics and prepare for PvP.

So people leaching Gold, XP, Drops etz are ok, but people killing people thats flagged for PVP isn't ok?

[Collateral]

What is up with this argument of "well they were doing it to farm things for pvp so that is pvp"

With that same logic everything you ever do ingame is with the purpose to someday do pvp, from crafting to killing your first level 1 mob or doing the first quest.

If you wanted to gank people who had no chance, that is fine, dont come up with weird logic to justify it.

It's not wierd logic, it's true. The state of the game today is not what it was on live. You could do as much PvE as you wanted back then, without ever touching PvP. Today most PQs don't work, and some quests are bugged as well. And yes, everything you do in the game has in some way a purpose of doing PvP later actually. But as I said, it's retarded to prevent people from doing these things, because the game would die very quickly with such a scumbag playerbase. And since the purpose is PvP, there wouldn't be any new opponents and the game would die out, just like live.