Re: The War on Xrealming and Cowardice Begins Today!
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:04 am
by Jaycub
th3gatekeeper wrote:
Twyxx wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Now let's get back on topic..
Its pretty simple.
Defense provides same rewards as offense.
Defense is 10x easier than offense.
Therefore people will FLOCK to defense rather than trying to attack a keep even once.
From my perspective, Order has more guilds that do premade RvR. I see more Destro WBs (mostly PUGs) that end up pushing a keep, getting stalled on the outer door for 30 minutes while an order PM sits in defense.
After enough wipes, several destro guys log off and onto order characters to get the Def Tick and chance at loot - which they arent gonna get on offense.
Defense rewards need to get slashes.
I think people get REALLY salty atm since BOs dont provide anything, so people work hard in capping a zone only to get stone walled at a keep because more people are interested in defending keeps than anything else since its SO easy to do and frankly, it provides the SAME loot.
Id honestly be happy if it took a warband getting the INNER door down before any def tick even happens. If you kept a warband on outer door, did you really do all that much? Probably not really. So it seems to me, that you really didnt do anything.
Contrast that with a WB who takes ALL the BOs and then tried a keep assault, atleast they took the BOs in the zone...
If you ask me, the guys that did more should get the reward, not the guys who dropped oil for 10 minutes and AoE ranged a Warband and then get bags?!
Making Defense ticks only happen when Inner is down a little bit (meaning outer fully down and inner takes damage) would make things much more interesting....
Rewards are already pretty sparse on both attack and defense, its usually what 2 gold 2 purple between 50 people? I'd rather see attacking rewards gets adjusted than nerfing defense.
And there shouldn't be a requirement for inner to be hit for D tick, tank walling outer door and trying to stop a push there is a valid strat that would be punished if successful under that system.
Re: The War on Xrealming and Cowardice Begins Today!
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:04 am
by Dabbart
Spoiler:
lunkee wrote:
Dabbart wrote:Last point, by and large. Insulting people tends to be a poor way of actually accomplishing things. Calling them cowards, Xrealmers, losers, not real WAR players, etc etc etc. How often have you responded positively to being called names?
9/10 those trying to push for what they want in terms of battlefield War's, just bark at people. THey have no plan or strategy, besides getting wiped over and over. If you think there are so many people that feel similar, then go form Alliance WBs accomplish outside of the Zerg. Why do you need to bark at other people for what they are doing?
And how is that Hypocritical? Yes I have a Z on dessie for when I am bored. But Order is my main side. Your playstyle is irrelevant to me. Insulting people and generally claiming to be better is different however.
Edit: And I agree with you which is funny. I hate Keep Def tick's. It's boring just standing there. And even worse when you are sitting at your keep when the other side has AAO. So guess what I don't do? I don't do that which I dislike. Easy.
I agree with you, I really don't like the harsh attitude between realms, we should aim to make this game as enjoyable as we can, the whole "realm pride" thing just seems to create a hostile enviroment, it's no way to attract new players. Personally I prefer, friendly interactions during **** to actually invite new players to this pvp concept.
Personally I just went "trial and error" but x-realming could probably be solved by, this may sound silly, by actually getting to know eachother, screw realmpride, we all love this game,instead of insulting, try appreciating those who participate,make it friendly.
D'you ever notice who it is... stop to think who it is we kill? It's always people who've told us to to live together in harmony and try to love one another. Jesus, Gandhi, Lincoln, John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Medgar Evers, Malcolm X, John Lennon. They all said "Try to live together peacefully." BAM! Right in the ****' head. Apparently, we're not ready for that.
-George Carlin
Aint gonna work my friend, but one can always try.
Re: The War on Xrealming and Cowardice Begins Today!
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:16 am
by Sodaking23
I feel like a 10min timer for swapping factions would alleviate this concern. I believe it was in live... Not 100% sure tho.
Re: The War on Xrealming and Cowardice Begins Today!
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:34 am
by th3gatekeeper
Jaycub wrote:
th3gatekeeper wrote:
Twyxx wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Now let's get back on topic..
Its pretty simple.
Defense provides same rewards as offense.
Defense is 10x easier than offense.
Therefore people will FLOCK to defense rather than trying to attack a keep even once.
From my perspective, Order has more guilds that do premade RvR. I see more Destro WBs (mostly PUGs) that end up pushing a keep, getting stalled on the outer door for 30 minutes while an order PM sits in defense.
After enough wipes, several destro guys log off and onto order characters to get the Def Tick and chance at loot - which they arent gonna get on offense.
Defense rewards need to get slashes.
I think people get REALLY salty atm since BOs dont provide anything, so people work hard in capping a zone only to get stone walled at a keep because more people are interested in defending keeps than anything else since its SO easy to do and frankly, it provides the SAME loot.
Id honestly be happy if it took a warband getting the INNER door down before any def tick even happens. If you kept a warband on outer door, did you really do all that much? Probably not really. So it seems to me, that you really didnt do anything.
Contrast that with a WB who takes ALL the BOs and then tried a keep assault, atleast they took the BOs in the zone...
If you ask me, the guys that did more should get the reward, not the guys who dropped oil for 10 minutes and AoE ranged a Warband and then get bags?!
Making Defense ticks only happen when Inner is down a little bit (meaning outer fully down and inner takes damage) would make things much more interesting....
Rewards are already pretty sparse on both attack and defense, its usually what 2 gold 2 purple between 50 people? I'd rather see attacking rewards gets adjusted than nerfing defense.
And there shouldn't be a requirement for inner to be hit for D tick, tank walling outer door and trying to stop a push there is a valid strat that would be punished if successful under that system.
Issue is, if you even have a 2/50 chance of getting purp bags for the jewelry... And even a 4/50 chance on offense, because defense is 10x easier, people will still flock to defense OR just wait to see if their offense is successful, if not, swap to D for the bags.
Ok, then if you dont like my "inner" idea. My next idea would be to ONLY give D ticks if outer door goes down. Right now you can beat on the outer door to 99% and then watch it come back for a D-tick. So D-ticks are too easy to get.
Defensive ticks need to be harder to get. Bags drop based on # of kills. Id suggest only givig a D-tick if the outer door goes down. Now you can post a funnel defense, and if you succeed, get your defensive tick.
This will prevent failed offenses from trying o Xrealm because the offense failed at 50%.
IT also prevents the defense from just posting up and hiding behind walls all day. Sure the next best thing would be to allow outer to get hit down to 0% then defend via tank wall - fine by me. Atleast players on both sides will actually have to DO something for that to happen. Plus once outer is down, I suspect more people will be willing to flock to play offense.
YOud still have an issue where defensive ticks are easier though....
Re: The War on Xrealming and Cowardice Begins Today!
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:10 am
by Sizer
Still waiting for some evidence that xrealming happens so frequently and its not just people getting bored and leaving the zone or logging off.
Re: The War on Xrealming and Cowardice Begins Today!
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:15 am
by lilsabin
waiting on legion to come out
Re: The War on Xrealming and Cowardice Begins Today!
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:08 am
by roamro
I understand what to Op is saying, i have just got my first toon to rank 31/rr 27, and my experience has been abysmall so far, t1 was fun, t2 was a mob grind, and t3 was a mob grind, the little bits of rvr i have been involved in, most of the warband has just joined in the hope of free exp/rr, they dont help with BOs, they leave Wb members to die, they rush straight for the keep, and wait for other people to prep it, and most scenarios i have been in the healer classes are all dps specd, the best fun i have had on this server, was when i managed to get a few people together to do t3 PQ's, so whene i see post argueing about the WAR, i ask myself what WAR?
Re: The War on Xrealming and Cowardice Begins Today!
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:31 pm
by Crenshaw
roamro wrote:I understand what to Op is saying, i have just got my first toon to rank 31/rr 27, and my experience has been abysmall so far, t1 was fun, t2 was a mob grind, and t3 was a mob grind, the little bits of rvr i have been involved in, most of the warband has just joined in the hope of free exp/rr, they dont help with BOs, they leave Wb members to die, they rush straight for the keep, and wait for other people to prep it, and most scenarios i have been in the healer classes are all dps specd, the best fun i have had on this server, was when i managed to get a few people together to do t3 PQ's, so whene i see post argueing about the WAR, i ask myself what WAR?
Im at r29 with my WH atm. Didint have to grind any mobs at all, most exp got from rvr, a bit from scarce scenarios in t2/t3 and maybe 3-4 ranks from being in party with guildmates in t4 keep def. There were better and worse days since i play casually. But i managed to get elf and empire t3 inf to max, currently progressing dwarf one, also on r29 i already have practically bis gear with 4 pieces of devastator. This eq will last me till late t4. It isnt that bad, just have to group up with people avaible and actually organise your play time. See enemy realm capping empty keeps? Call people on some channels, invest in keep defense and you will have profit. Sometimes it looked as people xrealmed but it wasnt a real issue for me. You guys are doing bigger problem of it, that it actually is.
Re: The War on Xrealming and Cowardice Begins Today!
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:09 pm
by Karast
Most keep sieges fail before they start for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with X-realming. Here is a brief list of reason why they fail.
1. No one deploys a ram. Very few people bring, or deploy rams.
2. Few people man / support rams. When rams are down very few people man them, and heal those manning them.
3. Lack of warbands. Very few people join warbands, and when they do they do not listen.
If you are at a keep, and no one is deploying / manning rams. Leave it. It is not a siege it is people just lazing around. The vast majority of players on both sides just sit around semi afk for defenses since they can get rewards for doing nothing. They join warbands then go afk, in the keep hoping for a def bag, and lucky loot rolls.
Running a warband is a constant headache of kicking, rekicking, and then rekicking again of people who do nothing but leech, and not follow along.
The problem has very little to do with X-realmers, but everything to do with laziness.
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