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Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:45 pm
by altgrimreaper
Ok, it is happening to me a lot in SCs, but never in PVE. I can have long spells with no AP regeneration. I just had one that was 30 seconds long. Five seconds is the norm.

This is repeatable...not just a chance occurrence. Having issues in SCs only.

Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:46 pm
by Azarael
Can you record some play? Might give us all a better idea of why it's happening. 30 seconds is outrageous.

Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:30 pm
by altgrimreaper
How do you record? Might sound like a noob question, but I have never done it.

And BTW, the work you guys have done is freaking awesome. So many more people play now too now that combat mechanics are functional. GREAT JOB!

Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:31 pm
by Sulorie
If I remember right, AP regen starts a certain time after casting a spell/skill.
I think it was one global cooldown after starting the cast.
The regen is interrupted when you chain-cast another spell when the global cooldown is over.
This means spaming dots or hots will stop the regen, while 2sec casts will start the regen after 1,5 seconds - during cast time.
Melee chars who spam their instant abilities won't have regen unless they stop attacking but they still have autoattack. 2sec casts usually cost more than 25 AP so you WILL lose AP but not as fast as if you were using instant casts.

Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:38 pm
by Azarael
The article proves you wrong by stating that AP regen does not occur during ability buildup.

Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:57 pm
by Sulorie
Azarael wrote:The article proves you wrong by stating that AP regen does not occur during ability buildup.
Watched an old T2 healer video without AP regen skills/tactics and yes, you are right.

Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:11 pm
by Azarael
I can confirm abnormal regen in SC.


Click here to watch on YouTube

I throw four Fireballs and break the engagement without interrupting any casts, but it takes about 3 seconds for AP to begin regeneration.

@altgrimreaper: FRAPS or some other external recording utility.

Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:24 pm
by RyanMakara
Azarael wrote:The article proves you wrong by stating that AP regen does not occur during ability buildup.
Regen should start directly AFTER the cast of a build-up spell, but it doesn't. That's the issue.

Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:26 pm
by Glaiveheart
Here's an example of the AP regen. Disregard the music - I left ezvid at defaults heh.


Click here to watch on YouTube

Edit: Derp, didn't see another vid had been posted.

Re: AP Regen

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:40 pm
by Azarael
Regen should start directly AFTER the cast of a build-up spell, but it doesn't. That's the issue.
The article states the mechanism of AP regeneration - it is paused during the GCD, during a channel and during the buildup of a spell. Instant casts and build-up spells should handle exactly the same way, with instant casts being treated as having a cast time of 1.5s whenever a cast time is relevant to the game.

Having a tick of AP regeneration as soon as a buildup spell casts would mean that the buildup abilities alone would effectively cost 25 less AP. If the developers had intended 5 AP Fireballs and Doombolts and 20 AP long cast heals for 450, they would have made the actual costs 5 and 20 respectively instead of 30 and 45, and put a massive delay on AP regeneration.