Return of Reckoning

Probably something like this.
ALLWAYS GO WW
Its such a waste not to spec WW on SM tbh.

Renown spec i allways go RD3 on every tank

DPS BO with good WS on squishies like BWs/AMs >>> SM Burst on these targets.
No other tank could compare with their burst (heck some MDPS couldn't get the numbers BOs got endgame)

However vs anything with a decent amount of armor, SM does better damage (unless BO is assisting a full-spec'd savagery marauder/has a shittonne of WS)

peterthepan3 wrote:DPS BO with good WS on squishies like BWs/AMs >>> SM Burst on these targets.
No other tank could compare with their burst (heck some MDPS couldn't get the numbers BOs got endgame)

However vs anything with a decent amount of armor, SM does better damage (unless BO is assisting a full-spec'd savagery marauder/has a shittonne of WS)

That is what I like about the SM, it does not require investing in ws to do damage (the tallies/renown you had to invest in WS are freed up for other ****).

Agreed that BO overall is more of a "traditional" damage dealer, requiring you to attack the squishiest targets. While the SM can be a bit more forgiving as it can also attack marauders and other tanks, with relatively less damage penalty.

@Kallah: Since you are full SnB dps, how do you spec your renown?

Rebuke wrote: @Kallah: Since you are full SnB dps, how do you spec your renown?

Right now, 30 into Futile Strikes and 10 Might.

I've tried a few combinations and for me that is the safer one.

What do you elf guys think about this one with 2handed sword?
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sm; ... 4:;0:0:0:0:

That calculator is out of date. Crashing Wave is now 9x. Also tank M4s don't get much better than Immaculate Defense so you can save a point there.

Nishka wrote:What do you elf guys think about this one with 2handed sword?
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sm; ... 871:2872:0:

Could be fun, this is pretty much the only time the mastery Morale 4's will ever be useful. On the other hand, you would be giving up a lot of DPS from losing the points in other trees, just for the privilege of having two decent bubbles on a 2H tank. You would arguably get the same or similar results by speccing into Protection of Hoeth. If you want to hit hard enough to be a threat while also being survivable, this might not be the best way to go - but it would still be fun to check! I wish Crashing Wave was slightly better - it has a hard time competing with WW, even with its lowered position.

Sigimund wrote:That calculator is out of date. Crashing Wave is now 9x. Also tank M4s don't get much better than Immaculate Defense so you can save a point there.

Take it from me, it will be a while before you see Immaculate Defense.

Hmm...If CW is lower now, maybe I'll have enough points for aethyric armor then... ever tried such bubble-based build, or maybe know anyone who tried? Is it viable in terms of damage in survivibility?
Just noticed that m4 unfortunarely requires a shield
Regarding protection of hoeth, I think the 325 bubble which can pop out with each your attack, if you're lucky enough, + 400 bubble with 3 sec cd is much better than Protection of Hoeth 550 bubble with 10 sec cd.

PoH is 750 when full Hoeth.

I used to duel in Praag while IC/altdorf with the 3 bubble spec, Vaul/Hoeth is perfect for 1v1 or running solo, but it is not worth atm. It is the worst spec for T3, it will be viable in T4

If u went full Vaul ofc the proc is better overall as surv tool, but it still nice to have a low ap cost skill usable in basic stance (u can use it as a 2nd Sudden Shift).
Personally, having Vaul at 0 and Hoeth at max, my proc tooltip just say 280 vs the 750 of PoH.
I think they are almost on par if u have a balanced Vaul/Hoeth build as absorb numbers (if u don't waste PoE, it got just half duration), maybe if u can keep yourself constantly attacking the blade ench is still better as it will be up all the time while PoE got 10 sec cd (5 with WW up).