Return of Reckoning

If we would collect data for city instance wins it should only count those that are full 24vs24 wbs really.
Those other once dont really count, most are just wb vs soloq(mostly order)

Panodil wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:42 pm If we would collect data for city instance wins it should only count those that are full 24vs24 wbs really.
Those other once dont really count, most are just wb vs soloq(mostly order)

That would be interesting to see, altho very hard to actually put together, without a huge collaboration, between all the major guilds/aliances

Sponn wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:14 pm

emiliorv wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:02 pm

Dostovei wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:53 pm

You can laugh and meme all you want, this is still admitting that there is imbalance. It's funny how many destro accounts have upwards of 6 maxed out toons as their avatar signature. Maybe the server should not be giving full rewards to the stacked side. Maybe the players on the stacked side who love to brag and boast, should try for a challenge and play order. It's like how bad ass can you really be when it's so one sided?

Mate for your information a city instance is a 24 vs 24 sc, what problem you have to win with even numbers?

the overpopuplated side dont have access to full rewards right now since they dont get city pops...its obviuous

Yeah it is obvious that there is a horrible balance problem when destro pugs can beat a order side with 1 prem.

Or in other words the fact that city is a structured 24v24 instance and Destro win the majority of them and this is not seen as an issue is just mind boggling. But lets just stop recording City and Fort data when destro start winning ;D gotta be super disingenuous if I am to get all order abilities xferred to destro and have an ez mode time in the game. A fair fight is truly unfair to me.

Destro is ez mode being carried by crutch classes and Order is hard mode (but zomg rampage). Don't worry I'm sure destro will get rampage like they have gotten every other Order ability.

Balance on this server is.....

In any case is there a writeup to how this game is balanced for? Like is it directed towards 1v1 or 6v6 or 24v24 or is the balancing just w/e the devs feel like?

Currently maining order, what on earth are talking about?
Unless you have completely clueless people AND run a full engi snipe squad in city you lose to destro PUG (BT snipe squad would probably win quite easily Vs. Destro pug), also how the eff do you get destro pug when solo never pops on destro?

What crutch class?
BO?
Order has access to better tanks, better melee DPS and better ranged DPS.
The healers are of similar quality.

Remember barrage change and the whole rework of SW? abilities only destro had access to before, so stop playing the "bias" card.

The issue on order is that there exist false truths, such as X Y and Z career are bad in cities, look at Xergons movie when they're up against LoB, SoW, Capulet and exodus the wb that was probably the best destro WB at that time and they beat them, xergon playing a WH.

AM is another career that for some magical reason is bad, no one knows why or gives a good answer except "it just dies", against what? Ranged? MSH? do people think they play full armor talis WP on their bathrobe elf?
AM is a game winner for order with their exceptional tools.

Engi is also apparently terrible, the fact that cannon smash is one of the most scary morals in the game and one of the best in stage three seems to be irrelevant because it does physical damage or something like that, well your aoe is corp, build around that for WB.

IB is apparently terrible as well, even though it got quite big buffs recently and as someone who plays both BG and IB, IB feels like a dream to play in city compared to BG because of the utility you have access to.

But no the issue isn't the full WP talisman slotted WP, it's Destro OP because he dies in 4 sec.

Panodil wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:42 pm If we would collect data for city instance wins it should only count those that are full 24vs24 wbs really.
Those other once dont really count, most are just wb vs soloq(mostly order)

This. All this. But only count 2 2 2 WB v WB (or close to that ratio). Don't quote general win % when majority of order players mentality is "we will lose anyway, why bother organizing?" and vast majority of Destro mentality is "organize a WB or you get no scenario pops." Of course Destro will win more with that mindset.

Rapzel wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:43 pm Order has access to better tanks, better melee DPS and better ranged DPS.
The healers are of similar quality.

False.

TANKS
BO > SM
BG = IB
Chosen > KoTBS

RDPS
Sorc = BW
SH > SW
Magus > Engi

MDPS
Mara > WL
Choppa < Slayer
WE > WH

HEALERS
Shaman > AM
DoK < WP
Zealot > RP

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Destro classes are simply better, either numerically, because they don't hit physical damage and therefor aren't affected by the armor meta, or have added utility, or for the grand prize, all three. The only Order classes that are better than their Destro counterpart is Slayer, and that's ONLY because of a single ability that Destro ENDLESSLY cries about, because they've gotten every single other Order-exclusive ability except that one, while Order has gotten zero Destro-exclusive abilities; and WP (but only in a healing setting, they're useless next to Dok for dps).

On top of that, Destro classes tend to synergize with each other better as well.

is zealot better than RP because of /special?

do we have a balance problem?
i dunno, u tell me.

Mystry wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:33 am

Rapzel wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:43 pm Order has access to better tanks, better melee DPS and better ranged DPS.
The healers are of similar quality.

False.

TANKS
BO > SM
BG = IB
Chosen > KoTBS

RDPS
Sorc = BW
SH > SW
Magus > Engi

MDPS
Mara > WL
Choppa < Slayer
WE > WH

HEALERS
Shaman > AM
DoK < WP
Zealot > RP

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Destro classes are simply better, either numerically, because they don't hit physical damage and therefor aren't affected by the armor meta, or have added utility, or for the grand prize, all three. The only Order classes that are better than their Destro counterpart is Slayer, and that's ONLY because of a single ability that Destro ENDLESSLY cries about, because they've gotten every single other Order-exclusive ability except that one, while Order has gotten zero Destro-exclusive abilities; and WP (but only in a healing setting, they're useless next to Dok for dps).

On top of that, Destro classes tend to synergize with each other better as well.

just becos ppl put more time and effort and gold and brain on their class doesnt make the class "better"

Mystry wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:33 am

Rapzel wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:43 pm Order has access to better tanks, better melee DPS and better ranged DPS.
The healers are of similar quality.

False.

TANKS
BO > SM
BG = IB
Chosen > KoTBS

RDPS
Sorc = BW
SH > SW
Magus > Engi

MDPS
Mara > WL
Choppa < Slayer
WE > WH

HEALERS
Shaman > AM
DoK < WP
Zealot > RP

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Destro classes are simply better, either numerically, because they don't hit physical damage and therefor aren't affected by the armor meta, or have added utility, or for the grand prize, all three. The only Order classes that are better than their Destro counterpart is Slayer, and that's ONLY because of a single ability that Destro ENDLESSLY cries about, because they've gotten every single other Order-exclusive ability except that one, while Order has gotten zero Destro-exclusive abilities; and WP (but only in a healing setting, they're useless next to Dok for dps).

On top of that, Destro classes tend to synergize with each other better as well.

ambush?

Mez wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:07 am is zealot better than RP because of /special?

One way mirroring, then WOI, Windblock, Morale Builder, Sweeping Disgorgement, Tzeentch's Talon