Return of Reckoning

taccr wrote:

TenTonHammer wrote:BG is NOT the strongest destroy thank, that has and always will be chosen, whether it is a good tank is irrelevant as this is a discussion about 2h, not SnB

It is relevant.
You are trying to get buffs for a class that is way over the top atm.
The only somewhat unique thing chosens currently offer is a resists buff. If you go 2h you lose the KD.

Compare that to spammable 50% healing debuff, super punt, cw3 m1, 5s kd and high toughness.

We are discussing 2h BG. Obtaining a 2h KD would have no effect on the superior and already strong SnB BG setup.

taccr wrote:
It is relevant.
You are trying to get buffs for a class that is way over the top atm.
The only somewhat unique thing chosens currently offer is a resists buff. If you go 2h you lose the KD.

Compare that to spammable 50% healing debuff, super punt, cw3 m1, 5s kd and high toughness.

Yet they are the least played destro tank... that's right the BO in all his derpness is played more than the OP BG. RoR's meta is not a BG favoured one and players for the most part are happy to bandwagon on whatever Flavour of the Month class is best atm. I.e Engineers/ Magus.

taccr wrote:

TenTonHammer wrote:BG is NOT the strongest destroy thank, that has and always will be chosen, whether it is a good tank is irrelevant as this is a discussion about 2h, not SnB

It is relevant.
You are trying to get buffs for a class that is way over the top atm.
The only somewhat unique thing chosens currently offer is a resists buff. If you go 2h you lose the KD.

Compare that to spammable 50% healing debuff, super punt, cw3 m1, 5s kd and high toughness.

If you buff a section of the class, correction, a play style of the class that is vastly inferior, who the opponents of this suggested changed have all admitted is inferior to SnB playstyle, if you buff it with the goal of putting it on par with SnB, how would that change put the class “over the top”

Perhaps you should read my op again, I clearly stated that every tank in the game has the choice to get a kd while in the 2h spec except for black guard, and that blackguards should also be given that choice to spec a kd
Chosen can still go up its 2h tree, get all its abilities and still have enough pts to spec downfall if they want to

Theres is not many things you can do here without badly hurting the balance. While I agree that every tank should have access to a KD in snb and 2h spec it only really matters in a solo tank parties.

1.) Buff by BG swapping wave of scorn with elite training. (That is I think is more of a problem than the KD)
2.) Bring IB in line by swapping Earthshatter with Oathstone stopping those one trick mastery ponies.
3.) Give BG some baseline 3s KD that is only usable with 2h.
Any of those would help in t4.

Chosen can still go up its 2h tree, get all its abilities and still have enough pts to spec downfall if they want to

Not possible at this level. You can currently have a perfect dread spec but have no points left for corruption. You also have no points spend in discord which translates to no stagger and a very low resists aura.

Anyway, I made my point. There's a reason this is already a 33 page thread.

I think at this point, the best thing we can do is try to come up with a KD-Free fix for Blade of Ruin that would add incentives to 2h BG.

Well what could make one run a 2h bg to run vs 2h chosen or black orc? Chosen already provides auras, and has 2 sources of debuff dmg with crippling strikes and challenges and dps black orc already covers dmg roles with crits, stats boost and has a KD

Any armor debuff given will never be as good as maras either

TenTonHammer wrote:Well what could make one run a 2h bg to run vs 2h chosen or black orc? Chosen already provides auras, and has 2 sources of debuff dmg with crippling strikes and challenges and dps black orc already covers dmg roles with crits, stats boost and has a KD

Any armor debuff given will never be as good as maras either

Anti-detaunt? Compare the damage of 2h bg to 2h detaunted bo or chosen and you'll see

The 2h KD is the most needed change for prosperity to the inferior 2h playstyle. Anyone who actually plays 2h BG knows this.

These arguments from ignorance from those with little/no experience is extremely unhelpful and distracting. If you do not know what you're talking about, please refrain from derailing the thread from those who are actually playing 2h BG and are actively seeking the major form of improvement (2h KD).

War wrote:The 2h KD is the most needed change for prosperity to the inferior 2h playstyle. Anyone who actually plays 2h BG knows this.

These arguments from ignorance from those with little/no experience is extremely unhelpful and distracting. If you do not know what you're talking about, please refrain from derailing the thread from those who are actually playing 2h BG and are actively seeking the major form of improvement (2h KD).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

bloodi wrote:

War wrote:The 2h KD is the most needed change for prosperity to the inferior 2h playstyle. Anyone who actually plays 2h BG knows this.

These arguments from ignorance from those with little/no experience is extremely unhelpful and distracting. If you do not know what you're talking about, please refrain from derailing the thread from those who are actually playing 2h BG and are actively seeking the major form of improvement (2h KD).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact