Wrath of Heroes?

[Penril]

You noticed the result of a bad rvr system.

That dont exist as soon as you put 3 factions instead of 2.

As i said, the fact that the same people who did Daoc and War tried both systems and are going for 3 factions again, should be proof enough for you that 3 is better than 2.

Game, Set, Match.

[chozen]

That crap game was rejected by the WAR community. All it did was siphon resources from this game on live. Good riddance.

[foof]

Everytime I hear about 3 faction is blessed game mechanics I want to puke. Do You realize when You have 2 factions, they have to fight to each other, while 3 faction brings colaboration. 2 sides can make aliance against 3rd one, so insted of order zerg vs 1,2 wbs of destro there will be for example order zerg+skaven zerg vs 1-2wbs of destro. Because I had expirienced the same thing in ESO many times. No no a no 3 faction is mess end of story.

2 sides making alliances is the point. You don't know the first thing about game balance. Every time I read one of your posts I want to puke.


Every single good RvR or PvP MMO has had 3 factions. Your anecdotal evidence about ESO means nothing, because that game is not good. Collaboration, alliances, is the point! Duh.

3 Faction is not a mess. You need at least 3 to make any big PvP MMO viable. 2 faction is garbage and has always been garbage.

As Bloodi states the counter argument to yours above my post. I don't need to do it.

In ponny land where love is everywhere 3 faction RvR MMO works, like 2 smaller realms make alliance against the one big realm to bring balance to rvr.
In real world as we know it works different. 2 bigger realms makes alliance against the smalest one, which means the least populated realm can do JACK!!! in rvr while those 2 bigger realms rolling zones and at the end when the smallest realm is nearly non existent they start to fight each other.
Seems fun to me. Really good idea...... No.

I wish Camelot Unchained can make difference or bring fresh air in to PvP/RvR focused MMOs.

Did you play even 1 minute of DAoC?

You really don't know what you are talking about. It does work, it has worked, and DAoC was proof. Still the best RvR game ever made. Just because you don't have experience with it, doesn't mean it can't work. It works and already has.

There is no "formulaic" system. Sometimes, 2 and 3 ally against 1. Sometimes, 1 and 2, against 3. Sometimes, 1 and 3, against 2. Sometimes, they all fight each other. There is no "they will always pick on the least pop realm", that is nonsense, because there is no formula. Things change, 3 factions simply adds a dynamic gameplay system that you can never achieve with 2.

That being said, it wouldn't even have to be 3. Any more than 3 would work fine as well. It just has to be more than two. Two is garbage.

[Nameless]

Stop talking about 3 faction RvR since it is impossible to implement in WAR. Try discussing 3 faction SC's. Which is completely different from RvR.

I remember the 3 faction system worked perfectly in SC's. Is Orange team winning? Hey Blue, let's group up and attack them!!!! You got them? Good, now i kill you while you are at low health muahahaha.

Loved it.

well scavens are there, they got all archetypes, they got some skills, all visuals. Stll need tons of work to be implemented as 3rd realm and is prolly impossible but ppl can deam cant they

[Penril]

Stop talking about 3 faction RvR since it is impossible to implement in WAR. Try discussing 3 faction SC's. Which is completely different from RvR.

I remember the 3 faction system worked perfectly in SC's. Is Orange team winning? Hey Blue, let's group up and attack them!!!! You got them? Good, now i kill you while you are at low health muahahaha.

Loved it.

well scavens are there, they got all archetypes, they got some skills, all visuals. Stll need tons of work to be implemented as 3rd realm and is prolly impossible but ppl can deam cant they

I think it would be easier to do something like this:

Emp + Dorf and Chaos + Greenskins (both remain exactly the same)
Dark Elf + High Elf (The Endtimes has them united under Malekith the true Phoenix King)

Elves would play pretty much the same as they do currently, having the same PvE quests and stuff. But in the lakes they would have their own personal "warcamp" which would be one of the two keeps. With a Flightmaster, vendors, etc.

And then all 3 factions fight for BO's and the remaining keep.

Yeah yeah, let me dream...

[Bazil]

Much more interesting would be to ask whether it is possible to use the content of the Wrath of Heroes (such as models, location, arenas) in Warhammer Online client?

[Caffeine]

Much more interesting would be to ask whether it is possible to use the content of the Wrath of Heroes (such as models, location, arenas) in Warhammer Online client?

What original content is there in WaH that isn't already in WAR? That game was just a bunch of Warhammer Online assets with a custom interface slapped on it.

[Bazil]

I can not remember what it was, but there were some interesting armor, weapons, and a pair of meshes. And the version of the engine was the kind of fresh. We should use all available content for the game update. As a completely new content, nobody ever will create.

[Tesq]

the only good 3rd faction is npc faction that hit every time the zerging side....

[Nameless]

Stop talking about 3 faction RvR since it is impossible to implement in WAR. Try discussing 3 faction SC's. Which is completely different from RvR.

I remember the 3 faction system worked perfectly in SC's. Is Orange team winning? Hey Blue, let's group up and attack them!!!! You got them? Good, now i kill you while you are at low health muahahaha.

Loved it.

well scavens are there, they got all archetypes, they got some skills, all visuals. Stll need tons of work to be implemented as 3rd realm and is prolly impossible but ppl can deam cant they

I think it would be easier to do something like this:

Emp + Dorf and Chaos + Greenskins (both remain exactly the same)
Dark Elf + High Elf (The Endtimes has them united under Malekith the true Phoenix King)

Elves would play pretty much the same as they do currently, having the same PvE quests and stuff. But in the lakes they would have their own personal "warcamp" which would be one of the two keeps. With a Flightmaster, vendors, etc.

And then all 3 factions fight for BO's and the remaining keep.

Yeah yeah, let me dream...

that is actually quite good idea. It is drasticlly change the realm balance /shaman and zealot for chaos+gs/ but heck it will be fun. Even more interesting that could be not permanent change just temporaly shifting or something