Return of Reckoning

make WL dual wield and get rid of the 360 AoE and balance.

Akalukz wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 1:58 pm make WL dual wield and get rid of the 360 AoE and balance.

Dual wield 2H axes?
Cats?
Shadow Warriors?

wildwindblows wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 1:41 pm WL is top tier dps for a long while. There is no point to fix it now.

Well ofc it is. Order only has 2 aoe mdps and one of them got hit by 3 large nerfs. Not hard to be the top dmg in that situation.

Scragmuncher wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:53 pm

wildwindblows wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 1:41 pm WL is top tier dps for a long while. There is no point to fix it now.

Well ofc it is. Order only has 2 aoe mdps and one of them got hit by 3 large nerfs. Not hard to be the top dmg in that situation.

engi aoe got nerfed to the ground to the point which became useless.

Scragmuncher wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 2:53 pm

wildwindblows wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 1:41 pm WL is top tier dps for a long while. There is no point to fix it now.

Well ofc it is. Order only has 2 aoe mdps and one of them got hit by 3 large nerfs. Not hard to be the top dmg in that situation.

When i checked average damages in 2023, wl was top dps (it is still top dps nothing changes) and it was hitting slightly more then slayer/choppa. Mara was the worst mdps damage wise and wl was hitting 69% more damage then mara. I stop checking data because i know everything is same. All i can say is damage gap between classes needs be adjusted.

https://imgur.com/OL1tQVm

Bozao wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:27 pm Well, the impression is that they left the class like this on purpose,

As one ex-dev wl-player said, "I code sh*t for the game, and I want to win"

WL AOE is so broken!

Please buff Guardian skills and we will just ignore Hunter tree!

Bozao wrote: Sat Nov 01, 2025 9:27 pm Let's be honest; anyone who thinks White Lion is okay needs to rethink their concept of balance.

I recently finished leveling up my WL BIS, but even before that, I never had much trouble getting at least 30 kills and few deaths from the lake. I'm not bragging, on the contrary, it's so easy to play with WL and rack up kills that anyone can do better.

WL urgently needs adjustments, especially to armor penetration. The Whirling Axe build is ridiculously OP, and for some reason, the range seems to be above what's described in the skill. Apparently, it's much more than 25 feet.

Well, the impression is that they left the class like this on purpose, to cause absurd damage without any consideration of the consequences. I've managed to kill over 14 players by jumping into the middle of the destruction while pushing during an attack on the keep in DW, using only Whirling Axe, and the damage reached the corners of the room...

They talk about a DPS balancing patch, but I'm almost certain that the Whirling Axe will continue to be insane, and that really breaks the game, especially since it seems the devs intend to make the game more and more zerg-oriented every day.

Yes, I know that WL defenders will appear, because it's difficult to leave your comfort zone.

I have seen many sub lvl 40s on your killboard with 2 lvl 40rr80 in first 3 pages. Aside this I agree that WL need some tweaking, because in curent state it has no downsides.

AOE WL wb spec has no down sides compared to mara, slayer and choppa. SLayer and choppa has -50% armor and rezists to deal some damage, -20% damage from tactic to be able to hit 24 targets with lotsa choppin/Flury. Mara has to switch stance to be able to use ST debuffs/dd abilities. WL has everything available anytime. No damage reduce, no skill restriction.

I´m pretty sure WL is main target for nerf hammer in upcoming DPS balance patch.

Let's say the developers completely removed armor penetration for White Lion, what are you going to cry about next? Pounce? Let's say Pounce is also removed, what's next? Let's say Whirling Axe and Slashing Blade skills are also removed, what then? I think White Lion should be removed from the game, because we're so tired of hearing destro main players' cry for years. Maybe let's say White Lion is completely removed from the game, what next? Shadow Warrior? Arch Mage? Sword Master? And have you noticed that those who are upset about White Lions never speak out about Mara Aoe Knockdown cause its complete game changer. A few days ago in the fort, a Mara pulled me from behind a wall, and I got stuck in the wall, and healers couldn't resurrect me. What about Choppa GTDC? Regen Witch Elf? Sh huge burst damage? Shall we make it easier? Which character would you like us to play as Order when you play as Destro main?

I really don't want to argue with anyone. For example While i was playing with my Sw Mokong killed me a few times today, and it was in 3v1, and Oooruk, Ecz also got solo killed me, but I didn't cry about careers, in fact I had a lot of fun because they're good players or maybe im bad player. (I don't know if giving player names is forbidden within forum rules, I'm too tired to read them again, I gave names to be appreciated, if it is forbidden, please let me know i can delete)

Best wishes...

Lol.