Return of Reckoning

Destruction > Order. no matter what.... no matter what !

lemao wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 3:18 pm

normanis wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 1:50 pm slayer with his rampage (20 parry/block strikeout ) is crying in corner. while wl has his 30 block strike without sacrefice damage
slayer
- need to be red to deal damage
- rampage make u green = no damage
how long slayers will take this, slayers need riot.

Maybe you should read abilities.
Rampage does not drop rage anymore and also does not require a gcd, it is really strong.

Rampage requires to spec into it and to build mechanic, while wl gets the same strikethrough as aoe slayer with Rampage- without having to spec anything or build anything, permanently and in every moment.

Tisaya wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:07 am The only thing the destro side loves more than blobbing is whining. Even with parry and block strikethrough I still get parried and blocked a lot. When I even equip this tactic, because it's either it or pet speed tactic. Order has access to a small aoe heal debuff proc because destro has more healers and more heal debuffs. Conveniently forgot about chosen's 25% heal debuff aura?

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/39587810

Well you certainly know how to abuse pet pathways in the water so your pet can't be parried and blocked?

Care to explain how your armor debuff only did 400 dmg and your pet autos/abilities which are supposedly gimped did 10x more in this water solo kill?

Something really needs to be done about the WL OP pet pathing. As a WL player myself I found the WL to be such a ridiculously over buffed class in all aspects of the game. The pet pathing is a common complaint but it actually works in the WLs favour for those who are willing to abuse the behind strafing. Im surprised how little this is brought up in balance discussion. I don't buy the whole "not balanced around solo play" nonsense because solo play is far more balanced than WB play. Try playing an Engi or a WH and see how far you get in WB play...

Khailee wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:07 am

Tisaya wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:07 am The only thing the destro side loves more than blobbing is whining. Even with parry and block strikethrough I still get parried and blocked a lot. When I even equip this tactic, because it's either it or pet speed tactic. Order has access to a small aoe heal debuff proc because destro has more healers and more heal debuffs. Conveniently forgot about chosen's 25% heal debuff aura?

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/39587810

Well you certainly know how to abuse pet pathways in the water so your pet can't be parried and blocked?

Care to explain how your armor debuff only did 400 dmg and your pet autos/abilities which are supposedly gimped did 10x more in this water solo kill?

Abuse pathways? I'm not sure what exactly are you talking about. There was a simple trick to get some distance in 1 vs 1 and pull the target to get a few free hits in the back. Maras do it all the time too. That's it.

As for pet damage, according to this log it's like... 20% of the total damage?

WL does have a nice burst but is incredibly easy to shut down. I've been fended off by 16lvls before who know what they are doing and myself have been dueling to a stalemate with BiS WL's as fresh 40lvl WE.

Tisaya wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:15 am

Khailee wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:07 am

Tisaya wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:07 am The only thing the destro side loves more than blobbing is whining. Even with parry and block strikethrough I still get parried and blocked a lot. When I even equip this tactic, because it's either it or pet speed tactic. Order has access to a small aoe heal debuff proc because destro has more healers and more heal debuffs. Conveniently forgot about chosen's 25% heal debuff aura?

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/39587810

Well you certainly know how to abuse pet pathways in the water so your pet can't be parried and blocked?

Care to explain how your armor debuff only did 400 dmg and your pet autos/abilities which are supposedly gimped did 10x more in this water solo kill?

Abuse pathways? I'm not sure what exactly are you talking about. There was a simple trick to get some distance in 1 vs 1 and pull the target to get a few free hits in the back. Maras do it all the time too. That's it.

As for pet damage, according to this log it's like... 20% of the total damage?

WL does have a nice burst but is incredibly easy to shut down. I've been fended off by 16lvls before who know what they are doing and myself have been dueling to a stalemate with BiS WL's as fresh 40lvl WE.

Well the issue is that WL pets auto strafe behind targets, so essentially when a target is snared or in water they ignore 100% of enemies defenses. In the small scale (mostly 1v1) this can make a huge difference. To be fair though, WL would get absolutely stomped by most destro solo tanks if they weren't able to abuse this.

Khailee wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:18 am

Tisaya wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:15 am

Khailee wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:07 am

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/39587810

Well you certainly know how to abuse pet pathways in the water so your pet can't be parried and blocked?

Care to explain how your armor debuff only did 400 dmg and your pet autos/abilities which are supposedly gimped did 10x more in this water solo kill?

Abuse pathways? I'm not sure what exactly are you talking about. There was a simple trick to get some distance in 1 vs 1 and pull the target to get a few free hits in the back. Maras do it all the time too. That's it.

As for pet damage, according to this log it's like... 20% of the total damage?

WL does have a nice burst but is incredibly easy to shut down. I've been fended off by 16lvls before who know what they are doing and myself have been dueling to a stalemate with BiS WL's as fresh 40lvl WE.

Well the issue is that WL pets auto strafe behind targets, so essentially when a target is snared or in water they ignore 100% of enemies defenses. In the small scale (mostly 1v1) this can make a huge difference. To be fair though, WL would get absolutely stomped by most destro solo tanks if they weren't able to abuse this.

Never noticed anything like that. Regardless if it's true or not, the pet itself is very minor source of damage. Most of damage come from the elf's aa empowered by crit tactic. Which is tied to the bugged, unreliable pet that takes 3 seconds to kill.

Wl pet damage is not minor, i used to kill players with just the pet.

Tisaya wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:52 pm

Khailee wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:18 am

Tisaya wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:15 am

Abuse pathways? I'm not sure what exactly are you talking about. There was a simple trick to get some distance in 1 vs 1 and pull the target to get a few free hits in the back. Maras do it all the time too. That's it.

As for pet damage, according to this log it's like... 20% of the total damage?

WL does have a nice burst but is incredibly easy to shut down. I've been fended off by 16lvls before who know what they are doing and myself have been dueling to a stalemate with BiS WL's as fresh 40lvl WE.

Well the issue is that WL pets auto strafe behind targets, so essentially when a target is snared or in water they ignore 100% of enemies defenses. In the small scale (mostly 1v1) this can make a huge difference. To be fair though, WL would get absolutely stomped by most destro solo tanks if they weren't able to abuse this.

Never noticed anything like that. Regardless if it's true or not, the pet itself is very minor source of damage. Most of damage come from the elf's aa empowered by crit tactic. Which is tied to the bugged, unreliable pet that takes 3 seconds to kill.

Pet autos are calculated on the kill board as your own autos so the pet is doing much more damage than you think. In the fight I linked, on my in game add on. Your pet did more auto damage than you!

If pet only accounted for 20% of damage then running as loner would be the meta even in 6 mans and sc. Especially in ranked where the pet spends most of the match dead. The only people taking pets would be soloers for the cc.