Return of Reckoning

CyunUnderis wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:41 pm

lumpi33 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:43 pm Nothing wrong with that safe play. However, getting 1888:2 is kind of a problem from my point of view. In this case something is off. Why was nobody able to kill her? Im sure many tried. Why is nobody else having similar stats playing safe? Im sure there are more than one player trying to not die.

The problem lies deeper. If order for example had a mara fetch or choppa pull that playing safe wouldn't work that well. If order had dual hotting shamans + 250 toughness buffs, she wouldn't be that hard to kill. If order had more punch on ranged SWs and engi she would die more often. If order had a armor + snare prayer like doks it wouldn't be that easy for her to get away. And so on and so forth.

Saying that this is just a good player in a premade playing safe is not the only reason she is dying almost never.

You are (again) making guesses about data you don't have. Maybe SW/Engi/BW don't assist each other when they tried to face her, or they don't sync when they attack her (silence on healer, KD on her, and finish rotation). Maybe not enough WL pull, or duo WL/WH on her, ... I don't know. There is a lot of tools Order side to kill someone. And a lot of tools for both side to prevent an assist on you (M2 + Flee + AP pot, 3 x potions, Quick Escape, AoE root, Detaunt, Guard, ...) So, don't bring up a topic about faction balancing please, or provide more data/informations.

lumpi33 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:08 pmSo before trying to discredit me, better come up with some real numbers yourself or an explaination why there is a sorc with almost 1000:1 ratio.

lumpi33 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:08 pm

CyunUnderis wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:41 pm

lumpi33 wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:43 pm Nothing wrong with that safe play. However, getting 1888:2 is kind of a problem from my point of view. In this case something is off. Why was nobody able to kill her? Im sure many tried. Why is nobody else having similar stats playing safe? Im sure there are more than one player trying to not die.

The problem lies deeper. If order for example had a mara fetch or choppa pull that playing safe wouldn't work that well. If order had dual hotting shamans + 250 toughness buffs, she wouldn't be that hard to kill. If order had more punch on ranged SWs and engi she would die more often. If order had a armor + snare prayer like doks it wouldn't be that easy for her to get away. And so on and so forth.

Saying that this is just a good player in a premade playing safe is not the only reason she is dying almost never.

You are (again) making guesses about data you don't have. Maybe SW/Engi/BW don't assist each other when they tried to face her, or they don't sync when they attack her (silence on healer, KD on her, and finish rotation). Maybe not enough WL pull, or duo WL/WH on her, ... I don't know. There is a lot of tools Order side to kill someone. And a lot of tools for both side to prevent an assist on you (M2 + Flee + AP pot, 3 x potions, Quick Escape, AoE root, Detaunt, Guard, ...) So, don't bring up a topic about faction balancing please, or provide more data/informations.

Actually I have the data and did a lot of evaluations with the killboard data. Some of them I posted, some not. Look for example at viewtopic.php?t=48946&start=200 page 21. ONE sorc had more kills than ALL engis together. That's just one example of their poor performance. The SW with the most kills did it with a cannon at the end btw.

Do you think that when playing playing a month with almost 2000 kills there is not one order group that knows how to play and assist? Yet they couldn't kill that sorc. Kinda strange, right?

Sorcs with their damage type, debuff and tactics have the better single target damage and burst. That's not a secret. SHs also have very good burst with their spiked squig. Their pet damage doesn't even show up on the total damage, which makes it look normal but it can be really nasty with the m1 and enraged pet. Magus can also do some nice burst rotation and benefits from the magical damage compared to engis physical snipe damage. Order ranged is not on par with destro ranged. Order pulls are not on par with destro pulls. Order CC is not on par with destro CC. There is nothing to argue about that. It just is. Regarding that sorc it makes it of course harder to kill someone with less ranged burst and less pulls. And as I pointed out there are other things too that helps her to survive. It's not something I made up. It's just how it is.

So before trying to discredit me, better come up with some real numbers yourself or an explaination why there is a sorc with almost 1000:1 ratio.

gebajger wrote: Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:21 pm He probably has a healer or 2. As long as the healers don't do damage, it will show as solokill.
Many of my 'solodeaths' on killboard are like that, zeal in the background staying out of range , not doing any damage.
As for the non solo kills, you can play it safe, always guarded, always healed and stay in keeps, warcamps....it's doable, just sounds boring.