Return of Reckoning

Replace GTDC with ID mirror 10sec cd...everyone happy:D

Tyrodan wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:10 pm Order dominating the lakes with their slayer wbs evaporating any resistance and here some ugly order gits ask to outright delete choppa pull and nerf destro even harder.

It's never enough. If choppa pull is gone, they tell you how op mara pull is. Then it's op shamans and their run tactics.

As an experiment devs should mirror both choppa pull and rampage for 2 weeks on slayer / choppa. The tears gonna drown entire continents.

Wow - 24/7 week in week out wall to wall destro, month after month after month - where you been the last 6 months

and no one will write anything about the engineering magnetic turret? also pulls through walls

R-A-M-P-A-G-E !!!
For massive pvp Choppa Pull should be fixed anyway !

Tyrodan wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:47 pm

Everdin wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:57 pm Current lake situation has nothing to do with chopper/slayer difference, or can you tell me what changed between these two from April to now? Because for 4 month straight at the beginning of this year destro was dominating on a much higher level, order was nearly not present in the lakes through some timezones, it was not even close too what you think is bad now.

Destro had the numbers. Whenever order and destro clashed in situations where numbers were rather irrelevant (keep and fort defenses) order performed way better. Only exemption were cities where order couldn't bring enough 2-2-2-warbands because of their rdps-spam.

Now that the numbers are rather equal order is steamrolling in orvr. In forts destro is winning like what: 1 out of 5 times? Probably even less. And here we are with the next thread to nerf destro.

Most of the day order steamrolls when they have much bigger numbers, in the evenings IF numbers are some kind of equal it's mostly a standoff until one side gets more players, unfortune for destro, atm this is mostly order.

I'm not saying one or another ability is not strong, but no ability in this game is "the reason for a steamrolling side". In large scale pvp the most important thing is orgainisation, timing and discipline if you have a slayer blobb with rampage and id, you need one marauder with aoe kd and the slayers look stupid. In small scale pvp rampage is a side effect, not more, while gtdc destroy every kite and positioning attempt from healers and dps.

wachlarz wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:51 pm

Farrul wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:18 am What does solo have to do with it?

Without any means of escape it doesn't matter if you got 4 pocket heals with you, but that's beside the point.
What matters is : other melee pulls do not mechanically behave like that ( it's broken from a balance point of view , hell WL can't even use the pull at doors )

I've lost count the times Order players die stuck in the melee blob becuse the thing sucks you in like a black hole(or green). Ridiculous tbh.

U tell that U are pulled so 1 vs wb. So U dont wanna die from choppa pull. From what skill U wanna die ? mara pull ? Sorc crit ? magus pull ? shaman dots ? We backstab ? Autoattack ? xd

If you're referring to the example in point (1) this is a siege battle ( solo is irrelevant in this context) nor is it about me not wanting to die but fixing a skill which is bugged/broken.

Jeliel80 wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:25 am Remove GTTC, remove Chop Fasta and give the equivalent to BO (Waaagh).
Give Choppa Rampage equivalent.
There you go, fixed 3 classes (one indirectly) in one go.

Been proposed for years, but no, keep 2 broken skills and a useless class right where they are I guess

There is an abundance of choppas easily 3:1 Choppa/Slayer ratio. Destro has way more tanks, it would be a balance disaster unless they tweak many stuffs(order tanks). GTDC is an abomination and just need to be fixed, if choppa sucks without relying on bugs and broken mechanics that should be looked at . (BO i agree ).

anything else annoys u that need to be deleted? might as well just delete da whole choppa class, most of them are feeders anyways.

Not sure what destros problem here is, regarding a lot of people gtdc is so bad and useless and id/rampage is so so so so much better.

But as soon as somebody says "Hey, what about fix it or just replace it" there are so loud screams. Can you maybe just decide if its bad or essential?

It should be removed as the devs either can not or will not fix it from pulling from walls, through doors, etc...

My main issue with it is the other aoe pulls require the magus/engi to spec around that ability from gear to rr and groups/wb for it to be impactful while it's just the everyday spec for choppa, maybe move it around in the spec tree's to make it something you have to actually think about taking.