Balance ever going to be addressed?

[Jaycub]

This thread gave me cancer...bias this, whine about that, nerf this, change that...

L2P

/lock

are you unironically using "/lock" on a thread that has real discussion? Sure there is a lot of shitposting, but there is and could be some good discussions about balance here.

[Tiggo]

all balance threads do that ^^

[Ghostweed]

@Jaycub - u realise that if u try to balance (no need, but whatever) things on T2 it will consume precious time and energy of Devs resulting into slower pace of upcoming patches, updates and "opening" of the content? And then the T3 and T4 come and u have to rebalance over again.

Its the massive loss of time and energy with very dubious results.

Like u said "Things are pretty balanced right now" ...hence the lock.

[Jaycub]

@Jaycub - u realise that if u try to balance (no need, but whatever) things on T2 it will consume precious time and energy of Devs resulting into slower pace of upcoming patches, updates and "opening" of the content? And then the T3 and T4 come and u have to rebalance over again.

Its the massive loss of time and energy with very dubious results.

Like u said "Things are pretty balanced right now" ...hence the lock.

Doesn't mean we cant talk about it, and yes things are fine right now except SW. But at level 21 order pulls ahead by a good amount in terms of balance.

[Azarael]

The shitposting needs to stop, and I've begun removing posts.

In future, anyone posting in response to balance concerns with "L2P", "whine" "noob" or a suggestion that this game is not for the player in question and that they should leave will have their post deleted.

[Coryphaus]

Things are pretty balanced right now, aside from SW for reasons already stated 100 times. Most mirrors play exactly the same except for a couple difference which make them stronger in some situations which goes both ways in every case.

The next level cap raise it's going to be no question that order is much better. WL will have pounce, mara will still play like a glorified witch elf w/o access to his awesome masteries up in savagery. SW will get a heal debuff (lol).

The amount of SW/AM/BW speaks in tomes right now. It's hard to even find DPS on destro, most scenarios its one dps then a bunch of tanks top fragging. No one wants to play dps here.

Yeah not to mention that wp will get divine light

The thing is theirs is dps but mainly what I've seen are bomb grp sorcs to play any other forms of dps is an excerise in frustration in my option as the ubsurd number of Ordo helpers make dmg dealing and exercise In frustration with gheal spam while slayers have reckless gambit that let deal big enough damage through heals with 60k dmg in sc's being the new normal, wls have burst and kiting and wh is wh

[Glorian]

"Paper need nerfing badly, but Scissors are balanced."
: Yours, Stone.

[grumcajs]

Balance should be made across the realm at first place.

As was mentioned :
kotbs, ib, slayer, bw, rp, wp - who cares AM is worse healer than shaman when u can take rather rp or wp as much better choice or swap engi for bw... same for destro

problem is there are 3 tanks, 3 healer, 3 rdps, 3 mdps but usually u need 2/2/2 for grp so its very easy to find classes that are way better than other classes from yer realm

in terms of grp support AM and SM are total crap. no sane grp leader would every invite SM or AM if they can invite RP or IB (equal gear, equal skill)
same as you wont invite magus instead of sorc (well...unless u built grp around daemonology magus - saw some grp with rifting magus and it was kinda effective)

I saw some posts on old WAR forums where people were talking about "
- removing stats auras from kotb and chosen and let BO/SM as primary aoe buff/debuff class.
- To give engi "marauder-like" tactic high in rifle tree to ignore 50% armor for rifle only abilties.
- instead of speed tactic for lion, increase the speed of lion if pathfinding is impossible to fix, make pounce to fire effect like Right in da jiblies to actually make it possible to pounce right to your target while increasing the cooldown
- lower the armor of WP/dok while wearing the book/chalice or increase the cast time of abilities while wearing a book/chalice
etc. etc.

all these ideas promoted rage, trolling and "everything is balanced, l2p" etc. etc.

[Telen]

Balance will always get negative reactions because the majority gravitated to classes that have vested interests in opposing it

[Azarael]

I'm aware that there are those who have vested interests in opposing ANY kind of balance.

What I would like to make clear, though, is that such people are not going to win here. Either a person engages properly in balance discussions and debates, without resorting to direct attacks, questioning player skill etc in lieu of actual analysis, or they get out.

While the process will not start any time soon, I feel it's better to make this clear now.