Meanwhile, Lets talk about IB/BG usefulnes

[Coryphaus]

Gork smash synergizes too well with t'ree hit combo and stab you gooder not to get, I never touch da toughet tree b/c screw that put in like 13-14 points or so just to get a 3 second kd? Nah chosens in grp always have down fall choppa has 2 sec kd and Mara can spec for kd as well


Can you hearz a great spell vs healers and I always get it as it's not like he has any heal debuffs or any other real anti caster and I prefer to Wez bigger and rock ard I don't play lolzmdpsblorclookatmah4kcritsonlowlvlplayers

[Luth]

I am wondering if Ironbreakers specable abbility "Ancestors Fury" in path of vengeance tree which gives 75strenght + 10 %crit chance, stack with base sklil "Inspiring Attack" which also increase strenght by 75. If not, that 75 strenght effect on ancestors fury should be replaced by something else.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

They didn't stack on the original server.

[Penril]

Gork smash synergizes too well with t'ree hit combo and stab you gooder not to get,

Yeah, a tactic that increases your crit chance + a tactic that increases your crit damage + a free channeled ability that hits like a truck, of course they synergize very well.

I never touch da toughet tree b/c screw that put in like 13-14 points or so just to get a 3 second kd? Nah chosens in grp always have down fall choppa has 2 sec kd and Mara can spec for kd as well

Sometimes you don't have another tank in your group. If the Mara specs his KD that means he will have to choose between Deadly Clutch (50% inc heal debuff, uncleansable by WP) or Growing Instability (50% increased crit damage). He can't have all three at the same time.

Choppa's KD exhausts rage. And even if he uses Wot Rules?, the KD is still only 2 secs. BO's is 3.

Can you hearz a great spell vs healers and I always get it as it's not like he has any heal debuffs or any other real anti caster and I prefer to Wez bigger and rock ard I don't play lolzmdpsblorclookatmah4kcritsonlowlvlplayers

KD>>>>Silence. They can't use pots or pocket items when KD (but they can when silenced). Not to mention Focused Mind M2 ignores silences anyway. If you want to bring utility or harass a healer, NidF and a 3 sec KD >>>> ST silence.

[Coryphaus]

Putting 14 points into da toughest tree, a tree which in my opinion is pretty shitty (not wl mastey tree shitty but still) for a a 3 second kd is not worth it, if it was lower on the tree then yes it would be good but you invest much for a lack luster return and you prevent your self from getting many of your dps abilities Even with a 3 sec kd your damage will be so bad that you couldn’t kill your target in that time especially a healer.

With chosen, mara, bg, choppa all having cc KD thiers no point in investing so much for so little

This game was/should be balanced to 6v6 grp fights and if you 6 man grp is not running 2 tanks epically chosen + 1 then you are doing your selves a disservice

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=mar ... :;;0:0:0:0:

Mara can fuction as your primary debuffer in your 6 man and spec sav + monstro for kd and still get deadly clutch, is it inferior to sav + brut but can be strong if your party can play around it

[Bozzax]

Do listen to Grulo and do test the stuff he recommends before you write them off

[Vdova]

I am wondering if Ironbreakers specable abbility "Ancestors Fury" in path of vengeance tree which gives 75strenght + 10 %crit chance, stack with base sklil "Inspiring Attack" which also increase strenght by 75. If not, that 75 strenght effect on ancestors fury should be replaced by something else.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

They didn't stack on the original server.

Than having 2 skills buffing the same stat by same ammount and not stacking is little bit worthles.

[Luth]

If you find that worthless, you should take a look at this:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sm;

[Kaitanaroyr]

if yr running natures blade to steal stats then you haven't played sm enough giving up a bubble or increased dps for a random stat is pointless now if it was the PTS version it would be worth it tho the other 2 blade enchantments got massively buffed.

[Penril]

Putting 14 points into da toughest tree, a tree which in my opinion is pretty shitty (not wl mastey tree shitty but still) for a a 3 second kd is not worth it, if it was lower on the tree then yes it would be good but you invest much for a lack luster return and you prevent your self from getting many of your dps abilities Even with a 3 sec kd your damage will be so bad that you couldn’t kill your target in that time especially a healer.

With chosen, mara, bg, choppa all having cc KD thiers no point in investing so much for so little

This game was/should be balanced to 6v6 grp fights and if you 6 man grp is not running 2 tanks epically chosen + 1 then you are doing your selves a disservice

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=mar ... :;;0:0:0:0:

Mara can fuction as your primary debuffer in your 6 man and spec sav + monstro for kd and still get deadly clutch, is it inferior to sav + brut but can be strong if your party can play around it

You are asking a Mara (a real mdps class) not to spec Guillotine, a +50% increased crit damage tactic (GI) and a 10 sec +25% increased damage skill (MA) just because you don't want to spec your 14 point KD and want to have big SYF crits. Ok.

[Coryphaus]

I literally said that its inferior to Sav + brut but wanted to point out that you can get kd AND still have deadly clutch further more I said that It can work but ONLY if your 6 man can play around it and mara becomes a more of a debuffer instead of pure dps.

This isnt about the worth of Can You Hearz, this about the value of dropping 14 points up a tree to get a 3 second kd when there are multiple other potentials sources for one and your argument hinges on that you could be on a 6 man with only one tank and in that too a Blorc not a chosen.

Smart ordo realize that your specd like that and not a real dmg dealer then they will just start ignoring you