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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#31 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:29 pm

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So you'd have three 50% debuffs, and we would have 1?
BWs also get one at 21.
Is that how you balance the factions? That's why I'd rather wait and get 30 implemented straight up, so nobody feels hurt, ignored or mistreated.

A KoTBS is a mirror of the Chosen in a way - they don't have the exact 100% same abilities but come on man, we both know they're a mirror.
So where do you stop there are inbalances everywhere at every level past tier 1 when the classes start to define themselves. I also dont fancy being debuffed then having a squig i cant target shoot me through walls.
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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#32 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:30 pm

Telen wrote:
xyeppp wrote:
So you'd have three 50% debuffs, and we would have 1?
BWs also get one at 21.
Is that how you balance the factions? That's why I'd rather wait and get 30 implemented straight up, so nobody feels hurt, ignored or mistreated.

A KoTBS is a mirror of the Chosen in a way - they don't have the exact 100% same abilities but come on man, we both know they're a mirror.
So where do you stop there are inbalances everywhere at every level past tier 1 when the classes start to define themselves. I also dont fancy being debuffed then having a squig i can target shoot me through walls.
Which is why I'm either for moving the SH to 21 so we'd at least have one to counter for the SW, or leave it at 20 cap and work on introducing 25/30 first instead of bothering with 21. I'm more for the second one.

I also don't fancy getting hit with magical engi+slayer turret+aoe combo through walls, but oh well.
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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#33 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:54 pm

xyeppp wrote:
Which is why I'm either for moving the SH to 21 so we'd at least have one to counter for the SW, or leave it at 20 cap and work on introducing 25/30 first instead of bothering with 21. I'm more for the second one.

I also don't fancy getting hit with magical engi+slayer turret+aoe combo through walls, but oh well.
Im for the second one. Buffing one faction specifically the class that mainly targets my class at a stage where our supposed mirror has alot more survivability due to auto detaunt would be a big disparity.
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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#34 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:10 pm

Telen wrote:
So where do you stop there are inbalances everywhere at every level past tier 1 when the classes start to define themselves. I also dont fancy being debuffed then having a squig i cant target shoot me through walls.
Its not about where you stop its about not being bias and having common sense.
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Im for the second one. Buffing one faction specifically the class that mainly targets my class at a stage where our supposed mirror has alot more survivability due to auto detaunt would be a big disparity.
So your against it because it has an impact on the class you play, this is reason enough to not take what you say with any credibility. its ok that am's can cleanse all sham dots and ap drain, its ok that sw have a rkd yet allowing both realms to have access to a spamable heal debuff instead of just 1 realm is madness right ? pls...come on Telen use some common sense here.
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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#35 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:17 pm

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So your against it because it has an impact on the class you play, this is reason enough to not take what you say with any credibility. its ok that am's can cleanse all sham dots and ap drain, its ok that sw have a rkd yet allowing both realms to have access to a spamable heal debuff instead of just 1 realm is madness right ? pls...come on Telen use some common sense here.
AM cant cleanse Sorc, chosen or dok. Thats the way cleanse works in this game. Which is more important cleanse a weak ass dot or the biggest back-loaded dd class in the game? Am doesnt have run away and auto detaunt procs against that either. Just cant just balance in a vacuum. Giving sh a hdebuff earlier will just mean gg every time the get m2.

Also you need to remember that the gcleanse spam of a dok will clear the sw debuff most of the time when it comes. Where wp cant cleanse sh so that hdebuff stays there. Even in the lower tiers that there are so many doks gives the cleanse advantage to sh if they had the debuff early. As I said you need to look at the whole picture. Too many people post balance ideas who dont play all the classes.

The class that really can complain is the zealot who cant cleanse it but as they can spam cleanse with tactic all the other rdps seems reasonable they should have one class to fear.
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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#36 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:31 pm

plazaridis wrote:Uselessness.
If we were all 40 lvl, nobody should talk about these things.
Well tell you what why don't you go decipher all the coded gibberish and make your own server where every one is 40 and then talk.

People these days spouting nonsense without any knowledge of the current situation. :roll:

Back on topic, i agree that this would make thing complicated down the line but maybe, im not sure imho the one big change that should definably be made by the time we reach end game should be slayer vs choppa kd mad make them both either 2s or 3s b/c it makes no sense why choppa's is only 2 and slayers 3s

And yes tesq their is a real imbalance here atm between ordo and destro as with all the abilities and tactics that ordo has atm makes the faction a bit more easy mode than dest
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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#37 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:25 pm

No.

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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#38 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:53 pm

I'd say first release up to 25. Then Release 25 -> 30 later.

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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#39 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:01 pm

I think before you start moving things around fix the numerous bugs
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Re: Poll: SH healdebuff on level 21

Post#40 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:06 pm

Telen wrote:I think before you start moving things around fix the numerous bugs
Irrelevant.

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