Return of Reckoning

emiliorv wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:07 am

balvor877 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:28 am As long there are no real tank counter classes

MMm i wonder if there are any class who can bypass mostly of the defensive tools....

Will you ever stop? It's disgusting. Destro has far more advantages...

lyncher12 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:56 am if anything 2h tanks need a buff to parry all guard damage again

There was issues with that in the first place, hence changes were made

balvor877 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:12 am

emiliorv wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:07 am

balvor877 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:28 am As long there are no real tank counter classes

MMm i wonder if there are any class who can bypass mostly of the defensive tools....

Will you ever stop? It's disgusting. Destro has far more advantages...

Give rampage to sorcs so it's not straight mirror and let's see how balanced and overrated that ability is.

balvor877 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:12 am

emiliorv wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:07 am

balvor877 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:28 am As long there are no real tank counter classes

MMm i wonder if there are any class who can bypass mostly of the defensive tools....

Will you ever stop? It's disgusting. Destro has far more advantages...

go cry for more destro nerfs like you did for the sh RKD nerf topic...i wonder if you are another order forum warrior with multiple accounts to agree yourself...

sorry (not sorry) but is fcking hilarious that you claim for "no counter to shield tanks" when playing order...

vindicuss wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:40 am
Ironbreaker: Grudge-Born Fury / Cave In

hell yea would be cool for IB to use Grudgeborn Fury as snb.... And KD could have just the knockdown part of it being 2h, the dot could he usable with whatever.. Nice idea, I really like it

detrap wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:45 am

lyncher12 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:56 am if anything 2h tanks need a buff to parry all guard damage again

There was issues with that in the first place, hence changes were made

Ok, list them.

lyncher12 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:00 pm

detrap wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:45 am

lyncher12 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:56 am if anything 2h tanks need a buff to parry all guard damage again

There was issues with that in the first place, hence changes were made

Ok, list them.

There was no place for super tanks in city warbands, you could survive just as easily as a 2h with high parry or a 600str snb tank with high block and parry. A 2h tank should not be able to increase the dps scores of the warband significantly with little to no penalty towards survivability, surviving just as well as a snb tank in cities.

I'm fine with my tanks (BG, knight, redoing IB). While it's nice to have something active to do other than punt and gaurd, you have your basics stuff too like snares, remove enchantments, challenge etc. - you got stuff to do already! The only place I can see "more dps tank" is in 6man, which is fine. But most of this is over the top. I have plenty to do as is on my tanks, no changes needed thank you.

detrap wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:15 pm

lyncher12 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:00 pm

detrap wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:45 am

There was issues with that in the first place, hence changes were made

Ok, list them.

There was no place for super tanks in city warbands, you could survive just as easily as a 2h with high parry or a 600str snb tank with high block and parry. A 2h tank should not be able to increase the dps scores of the warband significantly with little to no penalty towards survivability, surviving just as well as a snb tank in cities.

No you couldn't because you don't take just guard damage. There was also never a point where they survive better than having 30% or more block on top of other defenses, that is just absurd.

lyncher12 wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:19 am

detrap wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:15 pm

lyncher12 wrote: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:00 pm

Ok, list them.

There was no place for super tanks in city warbands, you could survive just as easily as a 2h with high parry or a 600str snb tank with high block and parry. A 2h tank should not be able to increase the dps scores of the warband significantly with little to no penalty towards survivability, surviving just as well as a snb tank in cities.

No you couldn't because you don't take just guard damage. There was also never a point where they survive better than having 30% or more block on top of other defenses, that is just absurd.

Never said they survived better, just as well. There's a reason you don't see as many 2h tanks in city warbands as before....because before survivability was fine. All you had to do is buff your parry up to 90% (SM for eg) and sit 20ft of guard range to avoid getting hit by aoe when pressured.