Return of Reckoning

Jabba wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:33 pm This is maybe my favourite post I've read recently, for all the wrong reasons.

yet another destro troll without arguments... go back under your bridge where you came from

balvor877 wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:23 pm

Jabba wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 4:33 pm This is maybe my favourite post I've read recently, for all the wrong reasons.

yet another destro troll without arguments... go back under your bridge where you came from

You would laugh with us, if you knew most stuff you mentioned either works differently, is available on both sides, is a fun toy nobody uses against experienced players or isn't even being specced at all.

Krima wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:46 am

balvor877 wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:13 am Yeah, the mirrored all the goodies to destro but gave order nothing in return. This is going on since years. SH is one of the best examples who got the most order unique ability pounce. Sorc and WE as well.

All in all the destro classes are a lot better. They have so many nice tools the order side just doesnt have.

e.g. the Shaman detaunt tactic or Mork says stop, the wounds tactic for choppas/blorcs, far more dual wield classes with fast weapons with insane proccing rate and free parry bonus, a class that gives extra damage on the next hit for the whole group on top of this, marauder with fetch and a lot of nice abilities to cripple and debuff enemies and a selfhot on top, a magus with pure magic damage which is far better than the engi because everybody is stacking armor, aoe knock down on WE, a BG with insane magic resistances, to name a few. Where is that stuff on order side? Right, it's not there.

Play some order toons than play the mirror on destro and you will know what I mean. WL is a perfect example. It's unique selling point was huge front load damage. Now they nerfed that down to "mirror" it but didn't give the nice stuff of the marauder in return.

I like the order side because I like playing on the good side but regarding classes it's not even close. With evenly skilled people on both sides they stomp order into the ground.

My 2 cents.

aoe knock down on WE

This thread its awesome!! I come here to relax and have a good laugh.

Who would have thought it that a simples question regarding bullets and kisses would turn into a - Order whining fest

Funny, that I have never seem good wh players like, bachata, sarnai, bodhi, csi, complaining on forums about WHs.
atm WE = WH.

ask them in game . you are deluded if you think we=wh and a destro biased caricature.

MMXX43 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:29 am ask them in game . you are deluded if you think we=wh and a destro biased caricature.

Both are good, both have the same weakness and both are fun to play. Not the same gameplay, WH is more bursty while WE have a better substain.

Solo they don't face the same class so idk, WE vs WL and WH vs Mara for example i will have a cold sweat on my WE but not on my WH. WE vs rSW and WH vs rSH, free rr for my WE and uncertain with my WH because gobbo are a pain to kill and it's the same way for all class, sometimes it's easier for WE and sometimes for WH. WH vs WE = rng won

My 2 penneth from a lot of solo roam coming across WH's.

I think its really, really too simplistic to look at abilities and say one is better than the other. Yes, one class is better than the other but very much dependent on the situation.

WH' builds, generally higher WS, parry and abilities like Repel Blaphemy allied with confusing movements they can sustain that parry over a longer period of time than a WE can. Christ, have you every been forced into a frontal 1 vs 1 parry match with Constable/Hardkoar (usually both) they eat you alive !!

WE's higher burst dps if they can get it on target and not be parried or riposted.

So if a WH can corner a WE in a generally enclosed area and get them to fight and the WE has restricted movement to get the back, the WH will win just because of the sustained parry and riposte if they are running it.

If the WE has more space to operate, circle/strafing etc and can identify through buff head or Aura when RB or confusing movement is up and stay out of the way then attack with its burst then it stands a good chance of potentially winning.

I'm not saying either side doesn't maybe need a small tinker here and there but they are different and balanced at the same time. It's all in the name Witch Hunters hunt Witches and to do that they need the parry, WE's don't, but if you are going to go hunting for snakes be prepared to bitten by one first.

balvor877 wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:34 pm You cant? Maybe stfu for a second.

Funniest thing I've read today.
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE STAPH IT

siglade wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:48 am WE vs rSW and WH vs rSH, free rr for my WE and uncertain with my WH because gobbo are a pain to kill and it's the same way for all class, sometimes it's easier for WE and sometimes for WH. WH vs WE = rng won

Order classes are garbage. SW super squishy, AM super squishy, Engi super squishy... SH on the other side have the best of Engi/WL/SW combined and are tough gobos, Shamans also have the gobo advantage and Magus has got the bubble and the pure magic damage advantage. You even say that rSWs are free rps for WEs. That's just wrong... You should have troubles vs a hunter as a melee. Like WHs have with SHs. And it's not only a problem with the three classes I mentioned here... It' a problem with every freaking order class you compare. Marauders for example are an absolute power house compared to WLs. Chosen a tanky as knights an do some damage as well. BG got all the stuff of the IBs but kept their nice extras like the high magic resistances and the casted bubble is incredible good when guarding a melee. Where is that on order side? Why dont we have a melee dps with hot on our side or why doesn't the SW have it?

Sure, when you zerg that all does no matter but it does in small scale or SCs where fights around BOs are often close. In this case all the extras the destro classes are getting make for sure a difference.

balvor877 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:04 pm

siglade wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:48 am WE vs rSW and WH vs rSH, free rr for my WE and uncertain with my WH because gobbo are a pain to kill and it's the same way for all class, sometimes it's easier for WE and sometimes for WH. WH vs WE = rng won

Order classes are garbage. SW super squishy, AM super squishy, Engi super squishy... SH on the other side have the best of Engi/WL/SW combined and are tough gobos, Shamans also have the gobo advantage and Magus has got the bubble and the pure magic damage advantage. You even say that rSWs are free rps for WEs. That's just wrong... You should have troubles vs a hunter as a melee. Like WHs have with SHs. And it's not only a problem with the three classes I mentioned here... It' a problem with every freaking order class you compare. Marauders for example are an absolute power house compared to WLs. Chosen a tanky as knights an do some damage as well. BG got all the stuff of the IBs but kept their nice extras like the high magic resistances and the casted bubble is incredible good when guarding a melee. Where is that on order side? Why dont we have a melee dps with hot on our side or why doesn't the SW have it?

Sure, when you zerg that all does no matter but it does in small scale or SCs where fights around BOs are often close. In this case all the extras the destro classes are getting make for sure a difference.

100% agree with you here. My brother, a friend and I took a closer look at the skills and tactics and the destro class is always better distributed than the order counterpart class.

WE/WH, ive played both up to lv20 and had a much better time on my WE.
With WH, even with stealth attack:
- GL in killing a zealot, 1 heal + barrier and wind with perma knockback is enough time that his friends arrive and they laugh at you.
- GL in killing a shama, he has too many escaping tools with auto detaunt and automovespeed while dotting you to death and laugh at you.
- GL in killing a doc, extremly tanky and is dual wielding you to death while his self heals are enough to keep him alive and laugh at you.

With WE, even without stealth attack:
- Charging a RP, he has no escaping tools and i kill him with ease, i laugh at him
- Charging an AM, his escaping tools are limited and kill him with ease, i laugh at him
- 2H WP.....hmm nothing that makes any problem, i laugh at him.

With my WE i dominated the SC´s since Lv1 in Dmg and DB´s while im struggling with the WH.

Playing Order is like sending your 3 legged dog to a race, he can run, but the 4 legged doggos have the advantage. Im not saying nerf this or that, its only my own expirience with RoR so far.

balvor877 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:04 pm

siglade wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:48 am WE vs rSW and WH vs rSH, free rr for my WE and uncertain with my WH because gobbo are a pain to kill and it's the same way for all class, sometimes it's easier for WE and sometimes for WH. WH vs WE = rng won

Order classes are garbage. SW super squishy, AM super squishy, Engi super squishy... SH on the other side have the best of Engi/WL/SW combined and are tough gobos, Shamans also have the gobo advantage and Magus has got the bubble and the pure magic damage advantage. You even say that rSWs are free rps for WEs. That's just wrong... You should have troubles vs a hunter as a melee. Like WHs have with SHs. And it's not only a problem with the three classes I mentioned here... It' a problem with every freaking order class you compare. Marauders for example are an absolute power house compared to WLs. Chosen a tanky as knights an do some damage as well. BG got all the stuff of the IBs but kept their nice extras like the high magic resistances and the casted bubble is incredible good when guarding a melee. Where is that on order side? Why dont we have a melee dps with hot on our side or why doesn't the SW have it?

Sure, when you zerg that all does no matter but it does in small scale or SCs where fights around BOs are often close. In this case all the extras the destro classes are getting make for sure a difference.

Woww!! so according to you DESTRO > ORDER 24/7 ?

Cobra81 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:33 pm
WE/WH, ive played both up to lv20 and had a much better time on my WE.
With WH, even with stealth attack:
- GL in killing a zealot, 1 heal + barrier and wind with perma knockback is enough time that his friends arrive and they laugh at you.
- GL in killing a shama, he has too many escaping tools with auto detaunt and automovespeed while dotting you to death and laugh at you.
- GL in killing a doc, extremly tanky and is dual wielding you to death while his self heals are enough to keep him alive and laugh at you.

With WE, even without stealth attack:
- Charging a RP, he has no escaping tools and i kill him with ease, i laugh at him
- Charging an AM, his escaping tools are limited and kill him with ease, i laugh at him
- 2H WP.....hmm nothing that makes any problem, i laugh at him.

With my WE i dominated the SC´s since Lv1 in Dmg and DB´s while im struggling with the WH.

Playing Order is like sending your 3 legged dog to a race, he can run, but the 4 legged doggos have the advantage. Im not saying nerf this or that, its only my own expirience with RoR so far.

Have to say, first time I read the feedback from lvl 20 perspective. xd

Mate, on 40/80 things are different, and thn you just do not know how to play this game yet, with all the respect.