Why pug.

[Schweedy]

Spoiler:

People pug because they are afraid of having to perform well, or the polar opposite dont want to group up with bad players if thats all they have available.

Premades usually also require some level of communication via discord, so you need a mic and you need to listen.

A lot of people are really lazy if you havent noticed haha.

Exactly this.

And as a PUGer, I think balance is way out of whack in this game, and tossing all T2+ together is frankly quite **** stupid. We have two groups of people here, those that can twink and those that cannot. Unfortunately, people that say its fine, are those that have been here for a long long time and can afford to roll alts and twink them. I can't even afford a mount until I hit lvl 20, and people telling me to get full talis at 16? WUT?! Bro I Can't afford armor. We playing the same game?

As a new player, I follow the zerg, not learning a god damn thing. No idea how to play my class. Not gonna commit to a small group, because I'm mediocre at best and don't want to earn a bad rep because I never had to play my class properly, my gear suck because I can't afford better. I'd love to learn and skill up, but as a lvl 16-20 non twinked character going up against lvl 40 in sov? Yeah ok I'll just die now. Where is the fun? Where is the challenge or the excitement of learning how to play?

I haven't logged in in weeks, I hang out to see if there is any significant balance changes. I keep checking the forum less and less. JoIn a GuiLD they say.... guilds want 40+ in good gear. That leaves us new players out.

^^This^^ 100%

Would like to know from which perspective both of you are talking from. Order or Destro. Generally speaking, this is more of an operator error than a class/realm balance problem.
NA nights (Destro) have only PuG Warbands with a sprinkling of 12-mans and 6-mans; and the PuGs are allergic to both strategy and coordination (discord). Unless you play on EU primetime you cannot expect many extroverts out in the lakes willing to lift you up.

The onus is on the players themselves to find the right guild/group of players that will be willing to help you and vise versa. This community is filled with many folks willing to teach you how to get better at this game, because they care deeply about the survival of RoR and their enjoyment of it. This principle is applicable to both realms.

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." Matthew 7:7

Just ask, with humility and openness, if not then move on or stay. It's your choice.

[hammerhead]

People pug because they are afraid of having to perform well, or the polar opposite dont want to group up with bad players if thats all they have available.

Premades usually also require some level of communication via discord, so you need a mic and you need to listen.

A lot of people are really lazy if you havent noticed haha.

Exactly this.

And as a PUGer, I think balance is way out of whack in this game, and tossing all T2+ together is frankly quite **** stupid. We have two groups of people here, those that can twink and those that cannot. Unfortunately, people that say its fine, are those that have been here for a long long time and can afford to roll alts and twink them. I can't even afford a mount until I hit lvl 20, and people telling me to get full talis at 16? WUT?! Bro I Can't afford armor. We playing the same game?

As a new player, I follow the zerg, not learning a god damn thing. No idea how to play my class. Not gonna commit to a small group, because I'm mediocre at best and don't want to earn a bad rep because I never had to play my class properly, my gear suck because I can't afford better. I'd love to learn and skill up, but as a lvl 16-20 non twinked character going up against lvl 40 in sov? Yeah ok I'll just die now. Where is the fun? Where is the challenge or the excitement of learning how to play?

I haven't logged in in weeks, I hang out to see if there is any significant balance changes. I keep checking the forum less and less. JoIn a GuiLD they say.... guilds want 40+ in good gear. That leaves us new players out.

You got it all wrong. You as level 20 have to attack with a crowd of the same poorly dressed newbies on one 40sov and tear it apart. Your task is to sacrificially die under morals by allowing the coordinated group behind you to bring victory to the whole realm. And this is your individual heroism and your path to glory! Farm 10 gold for a 16 level character is not a problem at all. At the same time, having made a couple of PQs, dress a couple of good blue things to your level. Of course, as a very old player, I have access to both mounts and talismans for my fresh alts, but otherwise I'm in the same situation as you. I don't even ask to take my alts to the guild until I understand that I want to play them myself and don't lvl to 40/50 by wearing at least an anihilator and a BL. It's like an adulthood exam.
And one more important point. Very important. This is a non-commercial project. Nobody, like in games from giants, will lead you by the hand and cover your victorious path with roses for $14. Sometimes you have to make an effort, spend time, log in on time to get what you need. In no case should you equate RoR with your previous experience.

[M0rw47h]

People pug because they are afraid of having to perform well, or the polar opposite dont want to group up with bad players if thats all they have available.

Premades usually also require some level of communication via discord, so you need a mic and you need to listen.

A lot of people are really lazy if you havent noticed haha.

Exactly this.

And as a PUGer, I think balance is way out of whack in this game, and tossing all T2+ together is frankly quite **** stupid. We have two groups of people here, those that can twink and those that cannot. Unfortunately, people that say its fine, are those that have been here for a long long time and can afford to roll alts and twink them. I can't even afford a mount until I hit lvl 20, and people telling me to get full talis at 16? WUT?! Bro I Can't afford armor. We playing the same game?

As a new player, I follow the zerg, not learning a god damn thing. No idea how to play my class. Not gonna commit to a small group, because I'm mediocre at best and don't want to earn a bad rep because I never had to play my class properly, my gear suck because I can't afford better. I'd love to learn and skill up, but as a lvl 16-20 non twinked character going up against lvl 40 in sov? Yeah ok I'll just die now. Where is the fun? Where is the challenge or the excitement of learning how to play?

I haven't logged in in weeks, I hang out to see if there is any significant balance changes. I keep checking the forum less and less. JoIn a GuiLD they say.... guilds want 40+ in good gear. That leaves us new players out.

You got it all wrong. You as level 20 have to attack with a crowd of the same poorly dressed newbies on one 40sov and tear it apart. Your task is to sacrificially die under morals by allowing the coordinated group behind you to bring victory to the whole realm. And this is your individual heroism and your path to glory! Farm 10 gold for a 16 level character is not a problem at all. At the same time, having made a couple of PQs, dress a couple of good blue things to your level. Of course, as a very old player, I have access to both mounts and talismans for my fresh alts, but otherwise I'm in the same situation as you. I don't even ask to take my alts to the guild until I understand that I want to play them myself and don't lvl to 40/50 by wearing at least an anihilator and a BL. It's like an adulthood exam.
And one more important point. Very important. This is a non-commercial project. Nobody, like in games from giants, will lead you by the hand and cover your victorious path with roses for $14. Sometimes you have to make an effort, spend time, log in on time to get what you need. In no case should you equate RoR with your previous experience.

Totaly wrong, one shouldn't sacrifice himself. Let Sov geared players fight with each other, and then attack their healers from behind or flank in small group of dps, as in 9/10 warbands nobody will come to save them - who needs healers when you got pots, right?

[DirkDaring]

People pug because they are afraid of having to perform well, or the polar opposite dont want to group up with bad players if thats all they have available.

Premades usually also require some level of communication via discord, so you need a mic and you need to listen.

A lot of people are really lazy if you havent noticed haha.

Not sure on this one , it may be true for a lot, but no everyone. I ran a lot of organized Warbands on live,on Dark Crag, and Badlands, and I'm in a good alliance here , I`m in Alliance with Fog of War, Cntk, Gimile, Bene tleix,Shadows of Divinity etc, we run 2 or 3 organized Warbands daily, however while most of the time i am in one of the Warbands, sometimes i don't bother joining even when there are open slots.

Sometimes i just want to log on join a pug for maybe 1 zone then log off again. And not worrying about joining discord, etc just for 1 zone lock, before logging back off, because i wasn't planning on being on very long.

[PlagueMonk]

Others have touched on some points but my two main ones are:

1 - Forming a pre-made can be time consuming. My experience with pre-mades has been poor. Maybe it's just my luck but when it takes 30 mins to find the right mix of people and I only have an hour, I would rather just roll the dice and PUG. Some would say, if you are in a guild, forming a pre-made is easy, which brings me to point 2

2 - I am not 40 yet with any of my toons and all the guilds that have been recruiting want 40/40 players with gear, etc. So I am guildless which brings me back to point 1 and why I PUG.

Also there is a world of difference between a WB PUG and a SC PUG. Most of my WB PUGs have been great as long as the WB Leader knows what they are doing (and people listen). Those leaders have text macros, which helps out immensely and I have had little issue. The biggest problem with a PUG WB is people tend to just jump ship when things aren't going their way. Sucks when you are at even numbers in a zone, the enemy gives you a good beat down once and suddenly 2 full WB of people leave, ensuring your next zerg encounter will be another loss.

SC PUGs are another animal altogether. It wouldn't be as much of an issue however if the system was a bit more picky about balance. I've mentioned this in other threads but if the game waited for just 1 healer per group it would help quite a bit instead of just filling the positions with 12 random people. Healing is king imho and if you have 1 healer and the opposition has 3, the group with 1 healer is going to lose 9 out of 10 times. That's pretty much my only problem with SC PUGs (that and getting a full group of nothing but SWs , happened to me once, was funny but horribly sad at the same time)

[Starx]

Exactly this.

And as a PUGer, I think balance is way out of whack in this game, and tossing all T2+ together is frankly quite **** stupid. We have two groups of people here, those that can twink and those that cannot. Unfortunately, people that say its fine, are those that have been here for a long long time and can afford to roll alts and twink them. I can't even afford a mount until I hit lvl 20, and people telling me to get full talis at 16? WUT?! Bro I Can't afford armor. We playing the same game?

As a new player, I follow the zerg, not learning a god damn thing. No idea how to play my class. Not gonna commit to a small group, because I'm mediocre at best and don't want to earn a bad rep because I never had to play my class properly, my gear suck because I can't afford better. I'd love to learn and skill up, but as a lvl 16-20 non twinked character going up against lvl 40 in sov? Yeah ok I'll just die now. Where is the fun? Where is the challenge or the excitement of learning how to play?

I haven't logged in in weeks, I hang out to see if there is any significant balance changes. I keep checking the forum less and less. JoIn a GuiLD they say.... guilds want 40+ in good gear. That leaves us new players out.

You got it all wrong. You as level 20 have to attack with a crowd of the same poorly dressed newbies on one 40sov and tear it apart. Your task is to sacrificially die under morals by allowing the coordinated group behind you to bring victory to the whole realm. And this is your individual heroism and your path to glory! Farm 10 gold for a 16 level character is not a problem at all. At the same time, having made a couple of PQs, dress a couple of good blue things to your level. Of course, as a very old player, I have access to both mounts and talismans for my fresh alts, but otherwise I'm in the same situation as you. I don't even ask to take my alts to the guild until I understand that I want to play them myself and don't lvl to 40/50 by wearing at least an anihilator and a BL. It's like an adulthood exam.
And one more important point. Very important. This is a non-commercial project. Nobody, like in games from giants, will lead you by the hand and cover your victorious path with roses for $14. Sometimes you have to make an effort, spend time, log in on time to get what you need. In no case should you equate RoR with your previous experience.

Totaly wrong, one shouldn't sacrifice himself. Let Sov geared players fight with each other, and then attack their healers from behind or flank in small group of dps, as in 9/10 warbands nobody will come to save them - who needs healers when you got pots, right?

You could speed up progression, but the devs are allergic to that here. Every update since conquerer came out has been making the game more of a grind gear wise. My fondest memories of this game was back in T3 cap when in 2 weeks time I could be in nearly BiS gear and RR. I recently poopsocked both of my mains on destro/order to 80 and full sov and if you dont have a job and are constantly being updated about the state of forts/city and waking up at 3am to get a city in you can do 1 character in about 3-4 months.

[M0rw47h]

You could speed up progression, but the devs are allergic to that here. Every update since conquerer came out has been making the game more of a grind gear wise. My fondest memories of this game was back in T3 cap when in 2 weeks time I could be in nearly BiS gear and RR. I recently poopsocked both of my mains on destro/order to 80 and full sov and if you dont have a job and are constantly being updated about the state of forts/city and waking up at 3am to get a city in you can do 1 character in about 3-4 months.

Got SW to nearly BiS (because PvE too hard) within a month, starting from lvl 1... It's pretty easy if you hit lots of zones, because now you get invaders/royal from nearly every zone lock.

[marafado]

hahaha ofc playing order its easy this days, im surprised no one create a post to allow order toons equip invader at rr 40;p
but no worries boys, we have the xrealm pro guilds to ballance ror