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Re: Incoming healbuffs shouldnt stack, because healdebuffs also dont stack
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:28 pm
by BreezeKicker
If you get both outgoing and incoming heal debuff on healer his self heal will be reduced to 25%.
Re: Incoming healbuffs shouldnt stack, because healdebuffs also dont stack
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:49 pm
by kaloel
dalen wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:40 pm
The stacking rules for heal buffs are already the same as for heal debuffs.
Focused Mending stacks with Blessing of Grungni because Focused Mending adds an extra effect to Stay Focused, but Stay Focused is still an ability, not a tactic.
And as you mentioned Exalted Defenses is outgoing, so therefore stacks with incoming.
Same rules apply to Desperation + Magical Infusion or Aint Done Yet + Shrug it Off.
To discuss the realm balance of this you probably have to take the difference between Discordant Turbulence & Now's Our Chance into account.
No. Your statement is factually wrong. The heal debuff tactics from Dok, Zealot and RP do not stack with any other heal debuff. I'm 95% sure the m4 "Windblock" from Zealots does not stack with any other healdebuff either.
PS: Others have also pointed that out, noting that snares and healdebuffs never stack, no matter the source/ type of application.
Re: Incoming healbuffs shouldnt stack, because healdebuffs also dont stack
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:29 pm
by kaloel
Just some more math:
The usual order grp has: 1 WP 1 RP 1 KotBS
The usual destro grp has: 1 Dok 1 Zealot 1 Chosen
Without heal debuff:
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Order: (1 + 0.2 <wp outgoing>) * (1 + 0.25 <RP buff> + 0.15 <KotBS>) = 1.68 Heal
Destro: (1) * (1 + 0.25 <Zealot buff>) = 1.25 Heal
Taking a base 100 healing, a WP would heal 168 and a DoK 125. Thats is 34% more heal for the WP than the DoK.
With 50% incoming heal debuff:
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Order: (1 + 0.2 <wp outgoing>) * (1 + 0.25 <RP buff> + 0.15 <KotBS> - 0.5 <heal debuff>) = 1.08 Heal
Destro: (1) * (1 + 0.25 <Zealot buff> - 0.5 <heal debuff>) = 0.75 Heal
Taking a base 100 healing, a WP would heal 108 and a DoK 75. Thats is 44% more heal for the WP than the DoK.
Conclusion: Even with a -50% incoming heal debuff a WP will still heal more than without any buffs or debuffs. Which is about 44% more than a DoK in the same setting. Imho this is not balanced in any way.
It is very reasonable to look at this in a vacuum, without taking morals, or other heal debuffs into account as they don't stack, and thus cannot change this.