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Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:57 pm
by ragafury
Urdeg wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:53 pm Class is nonexistant in warbands even though I see them in warbands eh? Maybe dont make a post drunk? No mate, you're all too busy whining on here to get stuck in and notice like with every patch, sweeping and ever-changing balance from patch to patch means concepts like the one you're clinging to here, that the RoR staff made a class completely worthless, never ring true.

Yeah you might have gotten a nerf, sure, but learn to take them without throwing tantrums and instead seeing how the actually effect gameplay first.
I couldn't care less about the class, as I said.
for me it's non relevant to warbands, and my WH is a solo project.

however, I don't join warbands on my WH, because I know I'm useless and prefer to solo (that's what I rolled the class for).

but who knows, maybe others enjoyed there class in warbands?

as I said, just because you see someone running around in warband, doesn't mean he contributes.

if you have a WE, only thing she can do, is focus a target down in a zerg fight.
if the target detaunts in time, it's gonna be ruff.

all that requires too much time, by that the fight is over, unless it's ofc loldps vs loldps.

Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:19 pm
by Anjanolian
Urdeg wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:23 pm Huh, funny thing. Its been a few days and I still see witch elves in destro warbands. Again rapid fire forum pessimism has all the weight of a fart on the wind.
Soon you will not see :oops:

Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:30 pm
by Nidwin
Rothgar and Solutar are not too demanding so WE's may still find a spot in their warbands.
Between 07:00 and 16:30 server time you're better not too demanding and take whoever's around in the lakes in your warband on our side.

Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:52 pm
by peterthepan3
Urdeg wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:53 pm Class is nonexistant in warbands even though I see them in warbands eh? Maybe dont make a post drunk? No mate, you're all too busy whining on here to get stuck in and notice like with every patch, sweeping and ever-changing balance from patch to patch means concepts like the one you're clinging to here, that the RoR staff made a class completely worthless, never ring true.

Yeah you might have gotten a nerf, sure, but learn to take them without throwing tantrums and instead seeing how the actually effect gameplay first.
He isn't whining whatsoever. When Raga says the class is 'nonexistant in warbands', he is no doubt referring to proper, min-maxed warbands - not the open warbands that will accept anything (regardless of whether or not it is viable against proper opposition).

You shouldn't always dismiss negative (yet constructive) feedback as whining, mate. Just my 2c.

Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:55 pm
by Wam
Urdeg wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:53 pm Class is nonexistant in warbands even though I see them in warbands eh? Maybe dont make a post drunk? No mate, you're all too busy whining on here to get stuck in and notice like with every patch, sweeping and ever-changing balance from patch to patch means concepts like the one you're clinging to here, that the RoR staff made a class completely worthless, never ring true.

Yeah you might have gotten a nerf, sure, but learn to take them without throwing tantrums and instead seeing how the actually effect gameplay first.
If you lack class knowledge you should be careful spreading your negative opinions about what x and Y can and can't do and saying every change is great just because.

Witch elf was a fringe warband class pre nerf it was hard to justify but it had some tools which made it more useful in large scale combat atleast so viable. As someone who was always asked about bringing WE's for a year I should know. Now those tools have been removed (reverted to older stuff) so its role in large scale is non existant and back to pure gank/roam.

Because mate it's not even between WH/WE... its between WE & Rest of destro dps (even the mdps only if you want to go that route) and same for WH & rest of order dps... It's all about opportunity cost if you actually care about your setup, there's a reason why 6 man's dont run certain classes or specs, same goes for warbands that give a damn.
Spoiler:

Too many warbands don't give a damn and bring whatever, in whatever gear and whatever spec and have zero synergy, then complain about other side bring x y z, and complain about numbers and zerging (yet when they get momentum they too happy to do same behaviour) rinse repeat ad nausem both sides... you couldn't make it up but its the mindset of most players on server and pug warbands. I even put the information on a plate for them to make things easy mode but nope still run whatever and cry then blame dev / other realm bias. Instead of acknowledge they can do more. You can always do more, even premade wb's can do more.

You have no compassion for people if their main was a WE and played mostly in large scale, then their role just got changed (reverted) now they become obsolete / replaceable. Even if high RR and well geared and played... other classes mechanically do the same role but better.

Why bring a WE... when you can bring a marauder or something else better suited and well rounded? Answers on a postcard please.

Shaman/am nerf also made it lower down third place, the timing of it also a week after another nerf to shaman(am) which was fair enough as lifetaps was op.

Main thing WE/WH have now is stealth go and pour some oil... and that is so niche/situational and defeatist anyways that its not reason to take one in first place.
I don't see no tantrums, just constructive feedback from large scale point of view only.

Good luck to WE/WH players maybe they get something shiny at end of rainbow :)

Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:58 pm
by Anjanolian
peterthepan3 wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:52 pm .... the open warbands that will accept anything (regardless of whether or not it is viable against proper opposition)...
Pan, are we playing in the same server?
After all these posts and discussions, Im sure about that, I will read this in tiers chats soon ---- "pug WB looking for dps (non WE)"..."dps need - non WE - for Gunbad" ...."whiper me for wb, non -WE"....etc etc etc

Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:05 pm
by peterthepan3
Anjanolian wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:58 pm
peterthepan3 wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:52 pm .... the open warbands that will accept anything (regardless of whether or not it is viable against proper opposition)...
Pan, are we playing in the same server?
After all these posts and discussions, Im sure about that, I will read this in tiers chats soon ---- "pug WB looking for dps (non WE)"..."dps need - non WE - for Gunbad" ...."whiper me for wb, non -WE"....etc etc etc

I see you in warbands, I see lots of Wh and We in open pug warbands (Ocara isn't really pug as he actually bothers to give a modicum of effort into making his comps good)...

Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:10 pm
by Anjanolian
peterthepan3 wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:05 pm I see you in warbands, I see lots of Wh and We in open pug warbands ...
Pugs not read these on forum yet, hunny :P

Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:12 pm
by rmpl
Anjanolian wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:58 pm "dps need - non WE - for Gunbad"
That has nothing to do with WE's viability, most likely there was another WE already in the party.

Re: Latest Patch Changes POV

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:27 pm
by peterthepan3
Anjanolian wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:10 pm
peterthepan3 wrote: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:05 pm I see you in warbands, I see lots of Wh and We in open pug warbands ...
Pugs not read these on forum yet, hunny :P
Why would they break the habit of a lifetime then? :)
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