Return of Reckoning

Great SM changes. Now Khaine isn't all useless anymore, and hoeth wb specc seems useful beyond WW.

- Fervor and Burn, Heretic! are no longer cleansable.

This is also debatable, on my wh i would prefer fervor to stay as it it was. Cause WH realy needs some tools to stay healdebuff covered when facing 2doks setup.

Fallenkezef wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:12 pm

catholicism198 wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:04 pm Also think you went a little overboard with the Morale Drains.
Order now has 3 AE morale drains to Destro's 1

How many morale pumps do destro have compared to order?

Only 1.
Chosen and Black Orc have a 10 second ICD, so you cannot call them pumps.

wachlarz wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:57 pm

Azarael wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:19 pm Magus
- Indigo Fire of Change is Havoc 13 and inflicts Elemental damage.
- Tzeentch's Firestorm is Changing 9 and inflicts Spirit damage.
- Roiling Winds is now 30ft range.
- Roiling Winds inflicts its damage instantly.

Old Chaos unleashed tac reduce firestrom cd. So now i think Wild Changing tac should reduce cd of Tzeentch's Firestorm

edit: yes

Tzeentchs Firestorm had CD reduced from Havoc crit tactic so it would make sence to pass this into Changing crit tactic now as well.

catholicism198 wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:20 pm Only 1.
Chosen and Black Orc have a 10 second ICD, so you cannot call them pumps.

Black Orc, Chosen, Shaman, Sorceress, Squig Herder and Zealot

Thats a joke right ?! :
Indigo Fire of Change is Havoc 13 and inflicts Elemental damage

Telen wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:52 pm

catholicism198 wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:20 pm Only 1.
Chosen and Black Orc have a 10 second ICD, so you cannot call them pumps.

Black Orc, Chosen, Shaman, Sorceress, Squig Herder and Zealot

Again, Black Orc's/Chosen's morale tactic has a 10 second ICD. So it's not a real pump.

Aerogath wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:57 pm Thats a joke right ?! :
Indigo Fire of Change is Havoc 13 and inflicts Elemental damage

Why is it a joke?

Glean debuffs for firestorm and mist (even tho mist is shitty but eh), your pink horror debuffs elemental +/add in shammy. It's quite a nice change.

Renork wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:02 pm

Aerogath wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:57 pm Thats a joke right ?! :
Indigo Fire of Change is Havoc 13 and inflicts Elemental damage

Why is it a joke?

Glean debuffs for firestorm and mist (even tho mist is shitty but eh), your pink horror debuffs elemental +/add in shammy. It's quite a nice change.

basically this patch note telling us, that the weakness of change which is st dmg is now offically ignored, instead now all rr 70 magus can combo

tzeench firestorm
dissolving mist
pull

all togheter in the same build

simply put did any change magus give feedback on this or where all from havoc magus?