Return of Reckoning

I don't understand Penril. Detaunt was proposed by footpatrol as a counter proposal. Why shouldn't we discuss that as well? He proposed it as a redesign of the tactic, or rather returning it to what it once was. I thought it was part of the discussion about the tactic.

This is not footpatrol's proposal, and we are not discussing detaunt. Debunk OP's proposal or support him, but don't post new, completely different options. You can adjust OP's proposal though as long as it is still similar to what he intended.

However I can decide to let you discuss about any proposal you want for a certain skill, like I did yesterday on the Oppression thread. That's not the case for YGN.

I am not a great fan of the options proposed here but as said, that's another thread.
Out of the option in the proposal the b options seem ok, the heal is so little that the group impact has no significance and buffing the group effects cause other balance issues so believe that making it self serving which can help in group play the -10% crit damage seems a bit lame as with initiative and rr the impact of Frits should be significantly reduced. This leaves me with buffing the health impact. The level now is so low I wonder if even 100% buff is nteresting, I would go with 150 % to actually make it useful.

Not 10% less crit damage, but 10% less chance to be crit. Very big difference. Also with recent sw changes, and, as mentioned before, all the order crit stacking, I really think it wouldn't be a bad idea. It would give bo another role in small scale play other than off tank. Sure it has a lot of group buffs, but everyone who plays bo in a group knows the best role it currently fulfills. And that's the cookie cutter off tank.

Acidic wrote: The level now is so low I wonder if even 100% buff is nteresting, I would go with 150 % to actually make it useful.

I think that would make BO a bit too strong for solo play, especially for how low in the mastery tree the tactic is.

predathore wrote:

Acidic wrote: The level now is so low I wonder if even 100% buff is nteresting, I would go with 150 % to actually make it useful.

I think that would make BO a bit too strong for solo play, especially for how low in the mastery tree the tactic is.

Maybe it could swap places with No Choppin Me as someone pointed out. After all, NCM is pretty useless (it doesn't even stack with stat steal in spite of being a tactic) unless you run a Toughest/Greenest spec. Having a buffed YGN up in the tree would limit it for heavy Brawler, rr70- BOs.

Collateral wrote:Not 10% less crit damage, but 10% less chance to be crit. Very big difference. Also with recent sw changes, and, as mentioned before, all the order crit stacking, I really think it wouldn't be a bad idea. It would give bo another role in small scale play other than off tank. Sure it has a lot of group buffs, but everyone who plays bo in a group knows the best role it currently fulfills. And that's the cookie cutter off tank.

Ok that is interesting , miss read.
This would make both the self serving buff options reasonable in my opinion

I like the idea of YGN switching places with NCM, in which case YGN wouldn't have to be limited in usefullness.

Collateral wrote:Not 10% less crit damage, but 10% less chance to be crit. Very big difference. Also with recent sw changes, and, as mentioned before, all the order crit stacking, I really think it wouldn't be a bad idea. It would give bo another role in small scale play other than off tank. Sure it has a lot of group buffs, but everyone who plays bo in a group knows the best role it currently fulfills. And that's the cookie cutter off tank.

Yes, i was thinking about that aswell. I would like to expand the idea:

1) YGN should give a flat "-10% crit reduction" (which i think its lame, no mechanic no fun)

2) when YGN procs with bellow it "heals SOMEVALUE" and gives "-10% crit reduction" depending on which stance/mechanic u are... like 5% on 2nd plan and 10% on 3rd plan

3) when YGN procs with bellow it "heals SOMEVALUE" and gives the flat "-10% crit reduction" buff

Depending how much it would heal and depending the -% crit reduction i dont see as op if comparing to order iniciative debuff vs bo iniciative in current state, and i see as an attractive change the samesame all day tatics.

but the question remains: if -% crit reduction: only for you or for pt?

joaolol wrote:
but the question remains: if -% crit reduction: only for you or for pt?

I rather see a lower value and for party than a selfbuff.
could also grant x% for the BO and Y% for the party.
but I would stick to the party just to keep the "theme" of the tree intact.
otherwise, if that trend would continue you get some patchwork talent trees which lose there flavour.