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Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:03 am
by shaggyboomboom
peterthepan3 wrote:It's power is only really obvious in a select few players' hands (SHAGGY, SHAGGY, SHAGGY, OTHER SHAGGIES), who know how to make it work. I do think it needs some toning down, though.
Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:17 am
by Arteker616
Gerv wrote:The open complaining of one individual with no supportive evidence is not the commitment of a nerf, furthermore there will always be classes that out-perform in certain situations, which lead to threads like this.
The over performing of classes in certain specific situations is less of a concern because balance should and to the best intentions and attempts, revolves around group based play styles and synergies. (I am going to get trolled for this comment)
The shaman does not have issues with gimping multiple play styles, but rather like the AM, has a few, identified, over performing attributes.
Care to elaborate what are those over performing attributes ?.Would be a great idea to list em up and ur Reasons to think they are over performing .
There is always great players wich make class shine due to his own skill or his group but that doesnt mean the class dont have his own issues at all,
And to be honest u guys scare the `player base with these comments , because the enrf this the enrf that random topic are starting to reminder the players of the 3 months balance classes wich u had in wow , and on my personal opinion , with our population scaring the hell of people is bad idea to keep a stable population.
And why the wl whine post get locked asap but one with shaman keeps it open
Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:25 am
by Wdova
Shammans are OP? In terms of ? 1v1 probably. Game is not balanced on 1v1 scale so it is irelevant. Theyr mobility is lesser than SH's one. Theyr dps role require be more scaionary than SH or Sorc. They cant cleanse casters and from group support abbilities(besides raw healing numbers) they provide less utility than zealot or dok. Theyr ranged snare become completely trash compared to live. Run away tactics can be completely negate by root moralls, WL pouncing and ranged knockdowns so what OP aspect of this class we talk about? Every class can seems to be OP if properly geared,speced and well played.
Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:35 am
by shaggyboomboom
Wdova wrote:Shammans are OP? In terms of ? 1v1 probably. Game is not balanced on 1v1 scale so it is irelevant. Only tactics which define this class are run away and autodetaunt. If that will be removed from game,so ranged kds and pounce need to me removed too or mirrored to destro. Every class can seems to be OP if properly geared,speced and well played.
there are very few good players on the server. saw a lot of people calling me out for hacks because i used RD. what can you expect from these people.
Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:39 am
by Aurandilaz
wait, WL complain thread is locked, Shaman is free prey for complaints?
Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:40 am
by ToXoS
Aurandilaz wrote:wait, WL complain thread is locked, Shaman is free prey for complaints?
I guess.
Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:41 am
by Gerv
Arteker616 wrote:Gerv wrote:The open complaining of one individual with no supportive evidence is not the commitment of a nerf, furthermore there will always be classes that out-perform in certain situations, which lead to threads like this.
The over performing of classes in certain specific situations is less of a concern because balance should and to the best intentions and attempts, revolves around group based play styles and synergies. (I am going to get trolled for this comment)
The shaman does not have issues with gimping multiple play styles, but rather like the AM, has a few, identified, over performing attributes.
Care to elaborate what are those over performing attributes ?.Would be a great idea to list em up and ur Reasons to think they are over performing .
There is always great players wich make class shine due to his own skill or his group but that doesnt mean the class dont have his own issues at all,
And to be honest u guys scare the `player base with these comments , because the enrf this the enrf that random topic are starting to reminder the players of the 3 months balance classes wich u had in wow , and on my personal opinion , with our population scaring the hell of people is bad idea to keep a stable population.
And why the wl whine post get locked asap but one with shaman keeps it open
read this proposal:
viewtopic.php?f=95&t=21449 its the most recent, clear outline of which and why abilities specific to the Sham and Am are over performing and what can be done to rectify these issues. These aspects of the class have been issues for a long time, known to many in the small scale and competitive community. They were made more prevelant to the wider community when the LoB AM video was released which featured a small group seeming endlessly kiting destruction around and surviving against high odds. I know they are an excellent gorup of players, I have played against them in 6v6 and RvR but even these players recognize it as over performing.
The shaman spec is less of an issue because of the required renown points to spec into a complete life-tap build while the AM requires less renown overall. Don't get me wrong, the majority of .ab changes are fantastic, and give the Sham and AM much greater skill ceiling and capabilities than they had on live compared to the other 2 healing classes and this is not the focus of changes to the classes. Again, the intention is not to nerf it to the ground but to reduce it, progressively, in small iterations until the over-performing aspects are in-line with the remainder of the class whilst remaining functional and viable mastery specs.
Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:07 pm
by Aurandilaz
maybe if you want to close the disparity between AM and shaman, bring Whispering Wind closer to Chop Fasta...
especially considering how Choppa most likely is not going to be running AoE spec in a kiting group in the first place.
Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:16 pm
by charlysixb
4 pages in the thread and there is not any valid argument than "NERF", people dont know FOTG/EOV got heavily nerfed recently? Single lifetaps are affected by heal debuffs and can be disrupted ( very easily ) so you risk it. They also heal non critic for 1.7k max if there is no HD, (and you know there will be HD) shaman cleanse has cooldown and no tactic to use it 100% like other classes. What you want us ( shamans ) to heal the burst damage out of there off WL's n BW's with HOTs and 55ap gorka fix? are you kidding me?
Or are the racial tactics? Ok... remove anti-detaunt and run away and give us 660 armor ( the one who stacks with engi buff and armor potie on same time) tactic and anti-cc one. I'll gladly take em on Chifli xD
Re: WHY ARE SHAMANS SO OP?
Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:28 pm
by vianiznice
charlysixb wrote:4 pages in the thread and there is not any valid argument than "NERF", people dont know FOTG/EOV got heavily nerfed recently? Single lifetaps are affected by heal debuffs and can be disrupted ( very easily ) so you risk it. They also heal non critic for 1.7k max if there is no HD, (and you know there will be HD) shaman cleanse has cooldown and no tactic to use it 100% like other classes. What you want us ( shamans ) to heal the burst damage out of there off WL's n BW's with HOTs and 55ap gorka fix? are you kidding me?
Or are the racial tactics? Ok... remove anti-detaunt and run away and give us 660 armor ( the one who stacks with engi buff and armor potie on same time) tactic and anti-cc one. I'll gladly take em on Chifli xD
Saw a Shaman go 1v100 a few days ago, he just stood there as they piled up on him WHEN, in a sudden blast of green and guts,
everything exploded and he walked away from scattered corpses.
*This was all in my head and thus, warrants a nerf.