Return of Reckoning

Arteker616 wrote:

saupreusse wrote:Sw... Cool once every two minutes. Hits like a wet noodle the rest of the day

SW doesnt need to rely on festerbomb when they can flanking shot a squish or a mdps for 2k without m2 i still want to see a a sh pull that kid of dmg with poison arrer

Yes and it gets even worse when you factor in the shadow warriors pet damage.
Seriously, comparing the two classes is not as easy as people think it is.

Furthermore "flanking shot" is fully affected by the armor stat, which means that other physical crits with high tooltip damage would have done similar damage in the same situation (e.g. armor debuffed by a WL etc). Without further information your 2k example is generally useless to prove wether the SW is "OP" or not.

SW burst is not the best in the game. Without festerbomb, your ST burst - when compared to a well-played BW or Havoc Rifleman - really isn't that great.

There's a reason most 'competitive' (lol) SWs go Skirmish, and not Scout. If you want to play sniper, then Engi/Magus is (atm) much better suited for this.

peterthepan3 wrote:SW burst is not the best in the game. Without festerbomb, your ST burst - when compared to a well-played BW or Havoc Rifleman - really isn't that great.

There's a reason most 'competitive' (lol) SWs go Skirmish, and not Scout. If you want to play sniper, then Engi/Magus is (atm) much better suited for this.

+ 1 These.
If i catch Hard burst dmg from ranged its 99% bw sorc magus engi

peterthepan3 wrote:SW burst is not the best in the game.

Unequivocally wrong.

Klesko wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:SW burst is not the best in the game.

Unequivocally wrong.

Ehm no hes right

scout skills have long cast time.
you are being targeted after 2~3sec drawing cuz there are not enough melees, tank lines, cannon podders.
either you have to put urself in front line or stay back
a lot of rdps choose to stay back, their only available targets are destro tanks.
to target D back lines you have to move a lot and skirmish is better at this.

you need to keep changing stances, depend on situation.
those situations are often not good for scout, it doesn't mean scout is worse than skirmish.
have you seen Mara who stay in 1 mutation? it's same for SW.

you can make situations for you rather than follow it.
it's more important than rotation or scoreboard numbers.

I think OP met one of them.

Klesko wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:SW burst is not the best in the game.

Unequivocally wrong.

lol noooo

Let's try ranking bursts:
1. WL, 6k bullshit burst in 3-4 seconds and very often without warning thanks to Pounce and Knockdown that you dont rise up from
2. BW/sorc, if left unattended can deal 5-8k dmg in 4-6 seconds (but when you first DoT appear, you have been warned)
3. Most likely Marauder that gets its Crit Hits just right
4. other mdps, if they get it all nice, with armour debuffs in, other debuffs and enough crits, providing solid burst to any victim
5. various ranged damage dealers, though good Squigs might be competing above "mediocre" mdps bursts, same with Engis, SW and Magi, maybe including dps AM/Shm
6. various tanks, though SM with their spiritshit and Blorc with their raw Waaaagh power rank somewhat above other mortal tanks

SW Festerbomb can happen max once in a minute. 4000 damage cap is wet noodles compared to live damage. Back in 2012 my +90rr shaman in DF gear would get +7000 damage crit hit from SWs, whilst I was having full Trivial blows, meaning without TB I would have been nuked well over +14000 damage; that all on a shaman that was very defensive; and my positioning was usually quite good, so even then I might have gotten max 2-3 FAbombs a month up my ass. The number of good SWs left in this game is quite small, and in general they are a considered the less harmful of High Elf damage dealers; heck some good mdps SM are scarier than the average SW these days.

Arteker616 wrote:

saupreusse wrote:Sw... Cool once every two minutes. Hits like a wet noodle the rest of the day

SW doesnt need to rely on festerbomb when they can flanking shot a squish or a mdps for 2k without m2 i still want to see a a sh pull that kid of dmg with poison arrer

Try speccing ABM and you're not that far off in turret mode:)

Klesko wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:SW burst is not the best in the game.

Unequivocally wrong.

Again, I feel as if we're looking at this through different lenses. When you make a statement like that, it either means you really haven't been 100-0'd by a sorc rotation or you're​ thinking in a bubble. The statement was not "Fester bomb (the infamous 4k of salt) is not the best in game." If your argument is that no other class can pump 4k damage into one ability (even with tactics and chance), then sure, SW are fairly special in that regard. But burst rotations aren't just about how much damage one ability has. The Festerbomb is inhibited by a variety of aforementioned factors, which is why it does not come close to the "best" burst on the server (WLs and BW/sorc are pretty highly regarded as being top currently here because their rotation is not focused around RNG as much or a morale bomb with a time factor). FA without m2 just doesn't unleash enough burst to be threatening, and it makes you more susceptible to counter burst damage (standing still), which is why most SWs who play that spec will switch later on. Play what you want, but I think the point has been sufficiently covered.

There, now I've contributed to the feeding.

Arteker616 wrote:

saupreusse wrote:Sw... Cool once every two minutes. Hits like a wet noodle the rest of the day

SW doesnt need to rely on festerbomb when they can flanking shot a squish or a mdps for 2k without m2 i still want to see a a sh pull that kid of dmg with poison arrer

they do and a 2k flanking shot is unrealistic without m2 + this shot requires you to stand behind your target and has a cooldown. So its not really somethimg you can reliably put into a rotation. The problem is that you simply cant keep up the preassure on the enemy team like other dps do and even your spammable healdebuff does not compensate this.