Return of Reckoning

Didnt have odjira/qe/cw/rd/fs but i did use tb

roadkillrobin wrote:You tend to live aslong as detaunt is up and Cleansing Wind, RD and potions is off CD If you're not out of harms way after that then it's over. Sham can't handle WL at all with it's core skills If the Shaman runs away just fetch him back or Pounce.
Its a complete hardcounter to Shamans

Basically what you are saying is a shaman has to take measures specifically geared toward this potential encounter or he will lose. I agree, the core abilities/skills/tactics aren't going to work against a WL. The question then begs to be asked - what other class on the order side does Destru toons have to specifically tailor their builds to encounter? I think we all know the answer to that.

The recommendation to stack armor is silly, a WL can debuff that to zero in most cases. Armor talis are prohibitively expensive, and every other stat suffers by doing this. (never mind the debuff)

The recommendation that we all should 'reach out' to some mythical shaman that seems to be the only one that can not only take a WL, but also tank THREE of them is pretty ridiculous. Does a WL need to reach out to other mythical WL's to figure out how to kill any other toon in 2-3 GCDS?

Again, I am specced full defense on my shaman and in the process I give up every other aspect of my class. Healing suffers. DPS suffers.. All for what? To get my hopes up so maybe I can counter a single class that can burst me before I get off the ground? It's cheesy, it degrades the game and I would bet it drives people away. (based on in-game frustration chat everyday from random people) This seems to be the single biggest source of complaints I see in the game, day after day.

Dude if playing a shaman makes u rage that much why not try some other class

Kobra wrote:Again, I am specced full defense on my shaman and in the process I give up every other aspect of my class. Healing suffers. DPS suffers.. All for what? To get my hopes up so maybe I can counter a single class that can burst me before I get off the ground? It's cheesy, it degrades the game and I would bet it drives people away. (based on in-game frustration chat everyday from random people) This seems to be the single biggest source of complaints I see in the game, day after day.

There is no way in a million years a wl is killing you before you get up the ground if you have a group.

If you dont have a group, this is a pointless rant of someone soloing.

Kobra wrote:

roadkillrobin wrote:You tend to live aslong as detaunt is up and Cleansing Wind, RD and potions is off CD If you're not out of harms way after that then it's over. Sham can't handle WL at all with it's core skills If the Shaman runs away just fetch him back or Pounce.
Its a complete hardcounter to Shamans

Basically what you are saying is a shaman has to take measures specifically geared toward this potential encounter or he will lose. I agree, the core abilities/skills/tactics aren't going to work against a WL. The question then begs to be asked - what other class on the order side does Destru toons have to specifically tailor their builds to encounter? I think we all know the answer to that.

The recommendation to stack armor is silly, a WL can debuff that to zero in most cases. Armor talis are prohibitively expensive, and every other stat suffers by doing this. (never mind the debuff)

The recommendation that we all should 'reach out' to some mythical shaman that seems to be the only one that can not only take a WL, but also tank THREE of them is pretty ridiculous. Does a WL need to reach out to other mythical WL's to figure out how to kill any other toon in 2-3 GCDS?

Again, I am specced full defense on my shaman and in the process I give up every other aspect of my class. Healing suffers. DPS suffers.. All for what? To get my hopes up so maybe I can counter a single class that can burst me before I get off the ground? It's cheesy, it degrades the game and I would bet it drives people away. (based on in-game frustration chat everyday from random people) This seems to be the single biggest source of complaints I see in the game, day after day.

That's what happens when you let a single class have the best mobility, the best armor debuff, the most reliable pull, medium armor and insane burst, even compared to WH/WE. This class is simply overkill. The day the WL will have access to a heal debuff (via proc for example), it will be Ragnarök.

But I'm not complaining, WLs are OP only if you're alone. Like a SH basically.

gotharg wrote: So racial tactic or renown skill that cost 10 rp is useless now

They are not useless as every hit causes two checks to proc a speed buff: one for the tactic and one for QE. That means that your chances to proc a speed buff are higher.
With people playing from all over the world, stacking speed buffs might cause even more problems with lag (besides that stacking speedbuffs was absolutely idiotic game design).
Blockchance isn't considered as useless just because it doesn't stack with parry (can't be compared directly with speedbuffs, just an example).

ToXoS wrote:That's what happens when you let a single class have the best armor debuff, the most reliable pull, medium armor and insane burst, even compared to WH/WE. This class is simply overkill. The day the WL will have access to a heal debuff (via proc for example), it will be a marauder.

FTFY

Morfee isnt a myth lol. I have seen him do stuff like this. He likes to run through keeps and lure mindless dps (and ChineseHero) to their dooms as they all chase and try to kill him. Only seen him die once or twice doing it, and once was because my group literally fell on his head :p

Also lol at the magus complaining about 1v1. What even is this world

bloodi wrote:

ToXoS wrote:That's what happens when you let a single class have the best mobility, the best armor debuff, the most reliable pull, medium armor and insane burst, even compared to WH/WE. This class is simply overkill. The day the WL will have access to a heal debuff (via proc for example), it will be a marauder.

FTFY

You're clearly the funniest guy around here, thanks again for the laught!

There is nothing funny about marauders or the fact that you dont realize what you described is exactly what a marauder is, except the mobility part.

You are so deep the rabbit down hole that you cant even see what your realm has but you gotta tell us all how broken a class you probably never played is.