What is happening in T4?

[Martok]

I haven't discerned much of a pattern, other than at certain times during the day one side or the other may be dominating. SC's are a crap-shoot, pugging or in a pre-made, as you never know who you are going up against until you get there. I try not to worry about those times when Order is getting whacked, because I know what goes around comes around.

I do wonder why I suck so much at playing my AM. I'm healing spec and I try, really, but I can't seem to deal out what I consider legitimate healing.

[Buran]

statistic with addon ZonePop, for example (GMT+3):
08.12.2016 - 21.37 destruction 67 vs order 87 to 23.38 destruction 121 vs order 113
09.12.2016 - 21.00 destruction 72 vs order 53 to 22.40 destruction 40 vs order 81
11.12.2016 - 21.25 destruction 65 vs order 84 to 20.22 destruction 85 vs order 115
(i can show screenshorts with this information if u need)

When u look at this topic viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18646 u can see that only 1 Destruction Guild has 1-1.5 WB (where is Chlopi Chaosu, other allyances and anothers? this is a rhetorical question) We can see that Order has more than Desruction not every day, for example at 08.12.2016 Destruction attacked our keep at CW.

IMHO
1. We can see that the balance of population active players are different with both side at different time. Order is not OP.
2. Destruction had some guilds or allyances with online more than 1 WB, now it have only one (is only one?). Our alliance are really sorry about this. It is problem with organization community of Destruction .
3. Xrealming became less, but it still remains a problem.

[BrockRiefenstahl]

statistic with addon ZonePop, for example (GMT+3):
08.12.2016 - 21.37 destruction 67 vs order 87 to 23.38 destruction 121 vs order 113
09.12.2016 - 21.00 destruction 72 vs order 53 to 22.40 destruction 40 vs order 81
11.12.2016 - 21.25 destruction 65 vs order 84 to 20.22 destruction 85 vs order 115
(i can show screenshorts with this information if u need)

When u look at this topic viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18646 u can see that only 1 Destruction Guild has 1-1.5 WB (where is Chlopi Chaosu, other allyances and anothers? this is a rhetorical question) We can see that Order has more than Desruction not every day, for example at 08.12.2016 Destruction attacked our keep at CW.

IMHO
1. We can see that the balance of population active players are different with both side at different time. Order is not OP.
2. Destruction had some guilds or allyances with online more than 1 WB, now it have only one (is only one?). Our alliance are really sorry about this. It is problem with organization community of Destruction .
3. Xrealming became less, but it still remains a problem.

It is not only X-Realming so calm all down!

I thought like that myself everytime. But you cant deny the fact, that after a failed attempt at a keep people log off. Even more after multiple failed attacks! Then you have People like HAOJUN who spam /ad channel at Destru that he needs every possible Man at XY...
Now you get instantly 20-30 ppl + some log on + some log off and a handfull X-Realm. That is what I found out this weekend.

I also thought myself its only evil X-Realming, but it is not!

[hogo2hogo]

statistic with addon ZonePop, for example (GMT+3):
08.12.2016 - 21.37 destruction 67 vs order 87 to 23.38 destruction 121 vs order 113
09.12.2016 - 21.00 destruction 72 vs order 53 to 22.40 destruction 40 vs order 81
11.12.2016 - 21.25 destruction 65 vs order 84 to 20.22 destruction 85 vs order 115
(i can show screenshorts with this information if u need)

Those show nothing relevant to x-realming. You compare moments in the lifespan of 2 hours and expect the population to be the same? For example in case 1, population increased by 80% for destro and 30% for order. Given that 8/12 was Thursday I could assume that many people in the EU timezone logged off for work, school etc.
Second case "seems" to be more x-realming friendly due to the bigger swap in numbers (but still interpreted with caution since the two moments are almost 2 hours away)
Third case the timestamp confuse mes, so i cant interpret it

PS:on a side note, what do people refer as xrealming? Because the definition I have in mind is similar to the following scenario.

My "main" side is X (Lets assume X is destro). I login to X, play for a period of time, getting roflstomped, have 100% aao, Y(order side) attack keep, I consider I should switch to "gamble" and hope for a bag or better rewards so I go to Y side.

Of course the vice versa scenario is also plausible, but in general the xrealming I refer to comes with momentary-situational benefits/rewards.

Someone that plays destro one week and order the following week would not be considered an xrealmer imo.

[Buran]

Those show nothing relevant to x-realming. You compare moments in the lifespan of 2 hours and expect the population to be the same?

If u need the full video of our RvR with statistics for 2 hours for each days - give me to know. For example our video with different fragments of time of RvR at 08.12.2016 https://youtu.be/BOAzfh8HIos but i can show to u the full video, if u want.

For example in case 1... 2...
Third case the timestamp confuse mes, so i cant interpret it

I think you would say that order is OP and should be nerffed )))) This is joke.

But Seriously The Best RvR is when -60%<AAO<+60%. One of the way to change the statistic is organaze people to community (to guilds and to partyes with voice coordination). And it is possible to do for u NOW!!! It is bad, that Destruction has only one Leader like HAOJUN. This is the order problen too, becouse it is not interesting to play with weak enemy. What are u waiting for? For When is the Devs come and bring to you the desigion on a plate with blue rim!? I think it is possible to waiting for, but not constructively.

[BrockRiefenstahl]

Spoiler:

statistic with addon ZonePop, for example (GMT+3):
08.12.2016 - 21.37 destruction 67 vs order 87 to 23.38 destruction 121 vs order 113
09.12.2016 - 21.00 destruction 72 vs order 53 to 22.40 destruction 40 vs order 81
11.12.2016 - 21.25 destruction 65 vs order 84 to 20.22 destruction 85 vs order 115
(i can show screenshorts with this information if u need)

Those show nothing relevant to x-realming. You compare moments in the lifespan of 2 hours and expect the population to be the same? For example in case 1, population increased by 80% for destro and 30% for order. Given that 8/12 was Thursday I could assume that many people in the EU timezone logged off for work, school etc.
Second case "seems" to be more x-realming friendly due to the bigger swap in numbers (but still interpreted with caution since the two moments are almost 2 hours away)
Third case the timestamp confuse mes, so i cant interpret it

PS:on a side note, what do people refer as xrealming? Because the definition I have in mind is similar to the following scenario.

My "main" side is X (Lets assume X is destro). I login to X, play for a period of time, getting roflstomped, have 100% aao, Y(order side) attack keep, I consider I should switch to "gamble" and hope for a bag or better rewards so I go to Y side.

Spoiler:

Of course the vice versa scenario is also plausible, but in general the xrealming I refer to comes with momentary-situational benefits/rewards.

Someone that plays destro one week and order the following week would not be considered an xrealmer imo.[/quote]

Exactly this is X-Realming...

[hogo2hogo]

People that are not willing to cooperate, will not cooperate. I agree that organized fighting is more effective, but that needs certain requirements, others being easy to enforce, others not so easy.

For example, first and foremost to follow the leader. If we/they fail to do this simple task, the rest is history

Now, for the video and the xrealming, I cant clearly see the numbers but I will explain my rationale for my earlier post.

Having a progressive (and slow) change between the realms is not bad.
-Others might be bored of running around in the lake getting zerged or not having decent fights
-They might form premades and go scenarios
-They might do PQ's, fragment farming
-They might be going to alts to have t1-2-3 fights
-Or, simply to log off.

You can't expect having a population of 70-70 for a long period of time. That is why i noted that the comparison of the timestamps is open to very different interpretations.

@Brock --> I am not sure if you agree or disagree with my view or what part you agree you disagree with
You agree that xrealming is the swapping of sides to gain situational advantage or you consider xrealming playing both sides at any circumstance?

[Aurandilaz]

I think overly zergy keep sieges are what ruins t4 for me, personally. Never been much of a zerging enjoyer, used to prefer small scale roaming back on live. The starting keep siege would always put an stop to the kill&hunt fun going on around the map.
Ofc some people enjoy riding a zerg and hiding in large groups, but not everyone, which explains why during keep sieges so many people simply sit out in WC or at capitals hoping the worst of zerging + lag season is soon over.

And the reward to risk/effort ratio of attacking a keep these days; meh. It's not fun for all classes to sit at keeps watching as tanks pound the doors 10-20 mins.

There should be clearer incentives for both attackers and defenders to get reward for other zone activities, not just for zerging a keep with massive numbers.

[Haojin]

What's happening in T4 ? is very obvious question. Psychology effect.

2 months ago, everything was heavly destro sided, Phalanx and Allies was running 1 warband "everyday for 6-7 hours" and Porn Factory/Nugos was running with 2 warbands in Tue - Thursday.

After RvR changes, most of Phalanx members didn't like the new system, some of them quitted, some of them slacking and i limited the warband days only 3 days in a week.

Porn Factory left the game because of the RvR changes and if the news are true: majority of PF players joined " Beavers " and " Invasion " on order side.

Lack of organized guilds on the field, destro pugs lost their motivation and they rerolled order. We can see that on early pushes exactly the same like 2 months ago.

But this is temporary, we're making new alliances, new destro guilds joining the server and now, pugs know the rvr system better.

[Dalgrimar]

The current RvR system feels to me, way better than the previous one.
Had some great action last week on my SH.
Feels like everyone is forced to split up more instead of just 2 big zergs fighting at same spot until keep gets attacked.