Keep Lord

[spikespiegel84]

Just my two cents.

Attacking a keep with even numbers is conceptually speaking a suicide. As it must be. You can, if you do everything perfect, surely not if you rush in like T2. A weak Lord will simply bring again a Lord pull, and a quick victory which the defenders have no way to prevent.

If I have to engage a lord, as a tank, I plan it really carefully with my guildies.

[Daknallbomb]

my biggest problem here is . all want even fights atm the most ppl are sick about dat hard aao play . but there is rly not a chance to get a keep with even players on side .

[Tiggo]

as i remember on live you even had to have PVE armor with pve mitigation on it to tank the lord!

[sotora]

You can, if you do everything perfect, surely not if you rush in like T2.

What if defenders are not swarm of unorganized pugs but are as well organized as you and execute their defense well too?

Just my two cents.
Attacking a keep with even numbers is conceptually speaking a suicide. As it must be.

That means that keeps cannot be taken most of late evenings-early night EU time, at least for destro. Majority of people play those hours because that is time most ppl have free to spend on game (after work/school/etc).

If keep cannot be taken during peak times, then, well - it will cost this game players. Simple as that.


Order has good tactic - sit in a keep - wait till attackers wipe enough times to cause destro to leave rvr - then come take destro keep with numerical advantage. Effective, but also incredibly boring and defensive and again - that makes people give up on ROR or at least rvr.

[faiden]

It's got to the point where Order don't level up their keep just to wait inside the lord room for a destro push. They don't even stay on the walls to try prevent us from breaking the door. The difference you see on the wall and when pushing in is immense.

[Gerv]

When you push the lord do you attack the lord room from at least 2 sides?
Do you focus on taking out the order first before you kill the lord?
Do you organise a tank group to tank the lord away from the rest of your realm so minimise the damage the lord can do?
Do you build your morals and have your Black Orc players use their AoE punt to push the order off the ramps to the 3rd floor to kill them?
Do you split and have some players hold the order off while the others focus on the lord?

There are many ways to take a keep, sometimes as people have said, its not possible, but I have tried to list a few things to consider which might be beneficial. Yes, you will have to communicate and work together with other realm mates and yes, this may initally be hard but that is how it works. You don't have late game gear to stomp over everyone and make keeps easy, at this level, its hard work.

[Frontenstuermer]

When you push the lord do you attack the lord room from at least 2 sides?
1.Do you focus on taking out the order first before you kill the lord?
2.Do you organise a tank group to tank the lord away from the rest of your realm so minimise the damage the lord can do?
3.Do you build your morals and have your Black Orc players use their AoE punt to push the order off the ramps to the 3rd floor to kill them?
4.Do you split and have some players hold the order off while the others focus on the lord?

There are many ways to take a keep, sometimes as people have said, its not possible, but I have tried to list a few things to consider which might be beneficial. Yes, you will have to communicate and work together with other realm mates and yes, this may initally be hard but that is how it works. You don't have late game gear to stomp over everyone and make keeps easy, at this level, its hard work.

1. Yes and if dont hold the lord he kills several with his aoe.
2. Yes, 4 Tanks, 2 of them for pve with 100% more aggro
3. For sure
4. How do you wanna hold order of if you split.
You are in disadvantage because your are less players

We tried really often with many difference styles.

If you have same defenders and attackers, defender(not important if order or destro) you have a much better position.
I dont have problems if the enemy fights better but i saw it several times, no chance.
This is frustrating.
The keeps are designed to make it much easier to defend.
The next problems are very often the xrealmer.
Saw it very often enemy got more and more players.
Last time nearly more than 1 wb.
You cant compensate this.
So at time attacking a keep with equal players ends with a loose and more defender through xrealmers.
Thats no fun and i cant understand why many stop attacking a keep and retrieve from rvr fight.

[Haojin]

Thanks for the clarification gerv.
We all played on live at hardcore level and we all know the tactics.

Biggest problem is atm is random crashes at the keep. What you gonna do if half of your warband crashes when you rushing lords room ? It wasnt that bad before but for 1-2 weeks, keep assaults become a nightmare.

The second thing is from my pov; order prefers to stay inside the keep even they have the equal numbers. There is no scenario in the current rvr system for equal force size.

This makes me real sick while we trying to keep with same numbers + crashes + glitched keep lord + friendly collusion.

[Buran]

It is funny to read that Order was able to leave keep and did not defend the lord, when the keep door breaked.

[lastalien]

We all played on live at hardcore level and we all know the tactics.

Until then, the order has not been able to properly take the Lord (in same situation) and did not know the right tactics

Biggest problem is atm is random crashes at the keep. What you gonna do if half of your warband crashes when you rushing lords room ? It wasnt that bad before but for 1-2 weeks, keep assaults become a nightmare.

We have absolutely the same problem, but we do not cry about it.

The second thing is from my pov; order prefers to stay inside the keep even they have the equal numbers. There is no scenario in the current rvr system for equal force size.

Same.
Destro prefers to stay inside the keep even they have the equal numbers. There is no scenario in the current rvr system for equal force size.

but we believe in ourselves

This makes me real sick while we trying to keep with same numbers + crashes + glitched keep lord + friendly collusion.

What about strong Lord?
Maybe it will perform coordinated opinion on weakening Lord?

despite the fact that you're a boor, I talk with you, since virtually no organized opponents in large numbers