Return of Reckoning

Azarael wrote: I'm not sitting here advocating making the game into some base garbage that only the weakest of players will enjoy for maybe 10 days and then leave because it's utterly boring. My point is only that different camps must be dealt with in a separate manner. Leading a horse that won't drink to water is a waste of time.

Fair enough, than we both got misunderstood.
Annyway, like i sayed, i dont play to farm pugs neither do i enjoy it.

Dalgrimar wrote:You do know GTA = Gran Theft Auto is mainly a sandbox singleplayer game with a limited squad based mission online mode right?
UT = Unreal Tournament was a arena based FPS shooter.
Both of them are VERY different from a MMO.
The thing aswell with FPS is that you arent gonna whine on forums cuz you keep getting one shot by a sniper.
You adapt to the sniper and seek cover while closing in on him.

Read what people write instead of picking up random words.

There is a difference between being a casual player, i.e. someone that can only play x amount of hours or y type of gameplay, and someone who flat-out refuses to form a group - the building block of this game. Contrary to popular opinion, you can actually be a casual premade player!

What Dalgri is saying is that players who can only fit their game time in with their schedules - or casual style - are not a problem; rather, it is those players who flat-out refuse to form/join a group in group-scaled instances and demand that those who do, suffer/be alienated.

The game has always been purported as a PvP/RVR MMO which means that group play is more important than it is in any other game. I want the best for casual players and premade players: without casual players, the game would be about 100 people; and without premade players, there wouldn't be that zest or hunger for competitive PvP to the same extent (I think this is a fair comparison to make). However, PWDLGs (players who don't like groups) - be they casual players or hardcore - ought not be heeded when bearing in mind the aforementioned.

regarding ot again
* as aza has said, there is simply not a population for separate pug v pug/premade v premade queues so this is not an option;
* however, I believe it would be cool to make reikland factory/battle for praag pug-only scenarios with less emblems per win. this was mentioned in another thread and a few people seemed to think it was a good idea;
* by 'pug' I am referring to a player who wants to play in a group, but for reasons outside of their control (time, personal life, whatever) has difficulty doing so. I support these kinds of casual players, as they do want to play the game properly and form groups where they can. but for people who demand everything given to them on a silver plate without making an effort to form a group? na

peterthepan3 wrote:What Dalgri is saying is that players who can only fit their game time in with their schedules - or casual style - are not a problem; rather, it is those players who flat-out refuse to form a group and demand those who do suffer/be alienated. .

Which never happened.

You have to some advanced mental gymnastics to argue that the premades are suffering from anything because of the pugs.

bloodi wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:What Dalgri is saying is that players who can only fit their game time in with their schedules - or casual style - are not a problem; rather, it is those players who flat-out refuse to form a group and demand those who do suffer/be alienated. .

Which never happened.

You have to some advanced mental gymnastics to argue that the premades are suffering from anything because of the pugs.

One look at these forums and how people who do premades are blasted at/mocked would suggest otherwise, mate (I'm not saying that the same doesn't happen on the other side, btw)

peterthepan3 wrote:One look at these forums and how people who do premades are blasted at/mocked would suggest otherwise, mate (I'm not saying that the same doesn't happen on the other side, btw)

Your dellusions are not part of reality, no one is being blasted or mocked, you just like to pretend it happens.

If it happened, mods would stop it, you know a thing or two about how they can do so.

bloodi wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:One look at these forums and how people who do premades are blasted at/mocked would suggest otherwise, mate (I'm not saying that the same doesn't happen on the other side, btw)

Your dellusions are not part of reality, no one is being blasted or mocked, you just like to pretend it happens.

If it happened, mods would stop it, you know a thing or two about how they can do so.

Haha sly little personal jabs that will undoubtedly go under the radar. Sure man whatever you say!

peterthepan3 wrote:Haha sly little personal jabs that will undoubtedly go under the radar. Sure man whatever you say!

You can go ahead, link those people mocking premades to corroborate your statment or you can just continue trying to skew the argument with your unfounded claims while saying "Sure man whatever you say!".

Its easy Peter, just link them. We are all waiting here. Show us the mass conspiracy of the world against the saint premade players.

But the thing is that you know as well as me that your "people being mocked and blasted" is some guy saying "premades are mean" and you getting your panties in a bunch about it, no one cares about them because well, they are not blasting or mocking anyone and you are just making **** up.

bloodi wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:Haha sly little personal jabs that will undoubtedly go under the radar. Sure man whatever you say!

You can go ahead, link those people mocking premades to corroborate your statment or you can just continue trying to skew the argument with your unfounded claims while saying "Sure man whatever you say!".

Its easy Peter, just link them. We are all waiting here. Show us the mass conspiracy of the world against the saint premade players.

But the thing is that you know as well as me that your "people being mocked and blasted" is some guy saying "premades are mean" and you getting your panties in a bunch about it, no one cares about them because well, they are not blasting or mocking anyone and you are just making **** up.

The fact that there are several threads every 2 days concerning premade vs pug encounters, demanding separate queues, blasting premade players and assuming they are interested solely in 'pug stomping' instead of any real challenge, all suggest otherwise.

If you've played on this server - which I assume you have - then you'd have to be ignorant to believe that there isn't a feeling of 'tut tut tut...' held towards said players. One of our own beloved streamers who plays a DPS Zealot regularly vocalises his feelings on the issue!

I would love to see a try to solve the frustrating premade ganking randoms for an whole evening. Not all of us has friends to create our own premades. Maybe a sc alternative where you only can sign when you are not in a group? I know this idead is horrible difficult and maybe impossible. But I just want to have something to talk about while we wait for our heroes to get the server back up.