Nostalrius (Private WoW Server) Shutting Down

[Belfast]

They were hosted by OVH in France. Aren't we hosted by them too?

[Jezz08]

ror case is quite different

-war is not a live game.
-everything is not EA property but gw according to their ip contract.
-there isn't other games with the old ip of fantasy going on appart total war which is a buy to play game which is not in competition with ror that is a mmorpg
-ror dev not takign money.

Nolstarius was breaking the exact same laws before they started accepting money, as they were after. Breaking those laws is what got them shut down, accepting money is just what got the lawyers' attention. The differences are only things that might make us attract less attention.

-is quite different geni, wow is a living game that make still tons of money
- is all property of blizzard which have the right to protect his ip, the same cannot be said for war at 100%, i don't know what was the contract betwen gw/ea for the use of ip but knowing how much gw is strich i think it all depend from gw when and if there will be a judgment.
And having been fantasy killed and replace with AoS there should be even less problem by gw i hope.
-there are no other mmorpg by gw/ea which are in competition on the same stuff -->rvr (daoc is an exeption really base differently than war and anyway it have his own consolidated playerbase which at cost to no let it die thay are still paying the bill).

It really does not matter if the game is live or not.
War is owned by GW but the rights to this game is owned by EA, never mind the IP think about how much copyrighting is going on, it wont be GW coming after ror it will be EA.
It does not matter if there are 10 game's of War or something like War. What will become the down fall for ror is not dev's taking money ( as they don't ) but about how this game is getting more people ( facebook/youtube ) e.g copyrighting 72.5% of EA's game and rest GW so if GW and EA really wanted to they could sue this game for not asking them/paying them for using there game/models/lore.
I love how the game is getting more people but for a private server the more people you get the more your going to piss off the people that made the game ( as you could be taking away people that play there pay 2 play games ).

I mean i looked at a old War vid i did back when it was live and about 30 people have linked ror to me....thats really not good.

[Shibirian]

Wow if they took down this single server that way there will probably a ton of other servers be following suit. I remember exactly another wow server where the single owner took donations.

Good policy of the devs here not to take any, really.

[Luth]

War is owned by GW but the rights to this game is owned by EA, never mind the IP think about how much copyrighting is going on, it wont be GW coming after ror it will be EA.

No.
High likely EA owns everything that is in the client (property), but they lost the licence (intellectual property = GW) to use it and to make money with it in 2013. The client is useless if you want to collect money and you don't own the licence too. EA is a company that is interested in making money (like most companies).
Sega has atm all rights to create and sell warhammer fantasy games.

GW is very protective towards their IP (understandably), so not only generating money would be very bad for the project, but also doing creative stuff that would be lorebreaking:
1. dragon mounts for players
2. space marines
3. using available models, textures or sounds in an inappropriate way (e.g. karl franz gets a chaos helm and an orc voice)

Afaik every change to the lore in WAR (e.g. male DE sorcerers or bigger cold-ones) was discussed with and had the blessing of GW; iirc there were also plans by mythic to use malus darkblade as a simple PQ boss; this one got no OK from GW.

So imo there is one obvious rule to follow, "don't take money for anything" (as it would directly harm GW's business) and one less obvious that is a bit tricky "don't breake/bend the lore" (as it would directly harm GW's intellectual property, which would indirectly harm their business).
But i think with a basic knowledge about the lore and common sense this shouldn't be a problem.

[Qwack]

EA is notorious for aggressively defending IP interests. The extremely popular game series "Mechwarrior" is a prime example (too long to detail, look it up). Even though RoR does not take funds, it is still in violation of standard IP norms. The server is not "private". This is a highly advertised public server without any notable sign up restrictions. It is large enough to be noticed now. Copyright infringement does not have to include direct financial transactions. Opportunity loss is enough in any court. An example would be someone doing a broad showing of a movie to the public. You can't gather the local high school together and go watch Star Wars or Avengers in the gym without explicit permission. You can't print Pepsi on T-shirts and give them away. RoR has become larger than this.

I am not an attorney and can only offer my own humble opinion:

Plan A - When the Cease and Desist letter comes (yes it will) what if RoR responded to EA or GW by asking for a restricted licensing agreement where EA and/or GW could stream product advertisements on the advertising section of the home page. EA and/or GW would get exclusive rights to advertising at no cost. RoR would continue its no funds policy and could play up its growing population as a tappable asset to EA - GW. There is no cost for EA or GW, only potential gain through sales of its products.

Plan B - beg for mercy, appeal to the public, start a petition, rant on You Tube about the unfairness of it all... eh, fat chance.

Plan C - Fork over a ton of money and purchase a license agreement... not gonna happen.

RoR needs to offer something that speaks in the language of money because that is all EA really cares about. GW has a brand as well as a financial stake.

[roadkillrobin]

I think ALOT people played on the server coz it was free.
If Blizzard made a Legacy server with subscription, even with discounted price something like 5$.
I doubt it would get the same amount of players as this server.
But thats just my guess...

I don't think that's the case at all. People loved to pay for vanilla back in the day, and I don't know about you, but I would, in a heartbeat, sub to such a server for the same price as retail. Hell, I would even pay MORE.
I think the whole "They only play because it's free" is a pretty condescending argument. You're basically saying people who play on such private servers are cheap. Not taking into consideration that what the private server offers, can't be bought anywhere, anymore.
Seems kinda weird to me actually, now that I think of it. Is that exactly what RoR is, too? Don't you play here yourself? If Mythic game back from the dead, and said "Hey, we are re-opening WAR, and taking it back to the state prior to the RvR-expansion!". Wouldn't you pay for that? Are you only playing RoR because it's free?

I wouldn moast likly not pay a subscription for warhammer online no. I do enjoy the game and I would pay a one time amount to play it. But i would never subscribe to a game that doesn't put out new content.

Also I know for a fact that people flock to games that are free. Even my mom plays some coz their free. And I have tons of friends that plays specific games coz their free. If they weren't free they would play another game that were

And I never said that EVERYONE that plays on such servers play it coz its free. So please don't make it look like i am.

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[Tesq]

regarding gw/ea even with out had red the contract im sure at 100% chance that gw have every right to the final world regarding anything and ea can do after the contract for the war specific ip.(i do not know the sega contract either but anyway not EA)
Even the client which is property of ea in first place could be under some restriction wanted by gw after the contract end cos gw is very stric when it cames to defend their IP, which was the same when they done the contract with ea, there is also even the slim chance that neither gw/ea can't do anything regard the client as it was done by their collaboration and so when the collaboration end it may even be possible that neither of those 2 part can't put up anything alone; it all lies in the crontract which i do not belive is pubblic (?).
Then there are also pre-contracts etc which appart from speculation i belive gw put some general clauses to prevent these kind of problems by just saying " you need our authorization for everything sy"(considering we are talking about gw is high possible it gone that way)