Return of Reckoning

Razid1987 wrote:No, do you know what the real problem is?

The real problem is that people don't like to lose. Plain and simple.

They dislike it so much in fact, that when they lose in ORvR, they log on to the winning faction, instead of trying to win. The difference with scenarios is, that you can't do that there, or at least not as easy. So instead of pulling yourself together, find out what you're doing wrong and improve, you go to the forums and cry about how "unfun" it is to be farmed.
I'm sorry, but if the enemy is farming you, they deserve to be farming you. If you're being farmed, you deserve to be farmed. It's that simple.

People can't handle obstacles. It's so mind-bugling to me, that you at the slightest resistance, just give up. It baffles me, that after just two (sometimes even just one) wipe, almost every single enemy pug in an entire zone just disappears, and then suddenly there's a huge blop of 1-2 wbs of your own faction, that comes the **** out of nowhere.
It's pathetic that people aren't even trying to fight for the things they want to obtain. Instead they just go for the easy ride-along zerg, or cry on the forums.

The worst part is, our guild is actually seriously considering doing something on Destro now, because whenever we show up, everyone logs off, and we suddenly have +30 people following us, every single time. So we basically have to log on the opposite faction every 2nd time we wipe the pugs in order to keep having someone to fight.

And yes, I'm aware that this is the x-realm problem and shouldn't have anything to do with the subject of this thread, except that it does. It does because it's the same lazy mentality.
/endrant

There are people who don't like losing, have big egos and don't think or want to get better or admit where they are truly at. These type of people need to feel if they aren't queing up for competitive scenarios that they are admitting defeat or doing something they shouldn't be.

Arbich wrote:

mindmelt wrote: Maybe a debuff of some kind can be added for sc leavers and afks, say a reduction in RR/XP rate for 30mins which cannot be removed with relog etc, would be lovely.

Problem is, that in some scenarios there is only one exit out of spawn (MT, Isha), so no way to bypass the enemy spawn campers. Apart from that, this is a good idea. Being dead or at spawn for more that one minute, gives you a rr/xp debuff for 30 minutes.

Jaycub wrote:

Spoiler:

And for what I am sure is going to be several peoples follow up, yes gankbus would beat oldschool if we fought. We don't have near the experience they do 6v6, hopefully 6v6 scenarios will keep our players interested enough that we can form a core 6 that plays together on regular basis and learn how to properly play and communicate in a 6v6. We aren't afraid to lose or admit where we are at, and I'd like to think most of us want to get better. But without a competitive PvP scene, let alone on NA... it is impossible to keep people interested in that type of play. Which is why at best we have like 4 people online anymore

Jaycub wrote:The crux is the good solutions require a much larger population, at least that's my opinion. Things like skill brackets, scenario manager that builds good groups, etc...

We both want the same thing for 12v12 scenarios, but I am totally against buffing one sides effectiveness. That would be like making touchdowns worth more than 6 points if your team is losing badly in real football.

We need real good fights, not artificial ones dictated by some weird in game communist system.