[Swordmaster]Why are our tactics so bad?

[Sigimund]

Speccing Vaul on an AM also sacrifices the AP management Isha has, the CoT change would be helping there too.

[Tesq]

both SM and BG lack group wide effecs, while bg have more debuff debuff both sm/bg just do anything st

For exemple why kops buff aoe crit for 20% but bg debuff crit only ST???

--> both classes need their stuff to do something aoe, chosen/kobs need group utility nerfed.

[gungnir08]

Speccing Vaul on an AM also sacrifices the AP management Isha has, the CoT change would be helping there too.

Good point. The idea keeps sounding better and better.

[TenTonHammer]

2 questions

First off do ams even have the necessary slots late game to run CoT? over other "core" tactics WL need to run pack hunt and synergy as well as flanking late game i guess they can drop BF for cot

Secondly is CoT ap change justified?

Ams already have ap drain to deal with ap issues right?

Furthermore WLs ap isses late game back on live, one of the main causes of that was the bugged pounce, pounce works correctly here now the way i see it WLs have a lot of frontload burst damage they are not ment to go into long protracted fights just like WH/WE who quickly run out of ap unless you use a stealth opener

Also late game there is a lot of + ap regen gear, ap pots and ap regen rate inc pots

[Azarael]

The AP drain costs 50 AP and if it's allowed to run all the way will grant you 180 AP, for a 130 AP net. However, it's Hex so it's affected by DoK group cleanse. Yeah.

[Sigimund]

Isha AMs would not use it, there is probably no situation in the game where they would be better running 3 AP tactics. Vaul AMs have the tactic space and the lack of AP tools. "Centuries of AP" would be most welcome.

The AP drain is very unreliable and expensive as an AP management tool. It's main use is suppressing enemies.

WLs would be choosing between burst tactics and more sustainable output with an AP tactic. That seems like a legitimate trade-off. When people talk about changes that might affect WLs they are worried about increased burst so this avoids that concern.

SM AP management is not good. Adept Movements affects middle-mechanic abilities which get skipped in a lot of cycles anyway.

Basically, all HE careers except possibly SWs would gain a little tactic or spec diversity. At the moment CoT is only used until you have any other tactic applicable to your class and then it is retired forever.

[gungnir08]

The AP drain costs 50 AP and if it's allowed to run all the way will grant you 90 AP, for a 40 AP net. It's Hex so it's affected by DoK group cleanse. Yeah.

Drain Magic restores 180 AP over 9 seconds. Your other point is good, though.

It can also be blocked or disrupted, and if that happens, you're out 50 AP with absolutely no gain.

[Azarael]

Oh wow, I failed hard there. Was thinking of Transfer Magic!

Basically, all HE careers except possibly SWs would gain a little tactic or spec diversity. At the moment CoT is only used until you have any other tactic applicable to your class and then it is retired forever.

IIRC the 13pt Scout and Assault tactics are AP reducers. Would leave some room to rework them.

[Sigimund]

So, long term it would be of benefit to all. Another point in its favour.

Assault is going to need that room for rework at some point.

[TenTonHammer]

Except that all mdps can pretty much soft cap str late game between gear tallis and pots that bf isn't event necessary that it's better to go for scaling tactics like flanking insted of straight + stat tacs
And besides bf ph ps and flanking there is nothing really for wl to run
Giving this CoT change would be a significant change that kida goes against the whole burst and lack of sustain idea and would remove one of the very clear weaknesses of this class

Combine this with the impact that ap cost reducers like slayers gundrums war cry and HE classes could be using barely any ap