Return of Reckoning

roadkillrobin wrote: There's allready a mod that does this. I can't remember the name of it, but it basicly changed your hotbar based on what stance you were in. So stance 1 hb 1, stance 2 hb 2 and so on.

It is "Plan B".
The point is that it makes no sense that SM/BO have to take addons to get the basic functionality other stance mechanic classes have.

Luth wrote:

roadkillrobin wrote: There's allready a mod that does this. I can't remember the name of it, but it basicly changed your hotbar based on what stance you were in. So stance 1 hb 1, stance 2 hb 2 and so on.

It is "Plan B".
The point is that it makes no sense that SM/BO have to take addons to get the basic functionality other stance mechanic classes have.

Well acording to people in this thread you should roll another class or quit the game if you see that the mechanic lacks the functionallity of other classes.

roadkillrobin wrote:Well acording to people in this thread you should roll another class or quit the game if you see that the mechanic lacks the functionallity of other classes.

Aw, sweetie, did they get you on da soft spot?

Show me in this doll where the mean forum people hurt your feelings.

bloodi wrote:

roadkillrobin wrote:Well acording to people in this thread you should roll another class or quit the game if you see that the mechanic lacks the functionallity of other classes.

Aw, sweetie, did they get you on da soft spot?

Show me in this doll where the mean forum people hurt your feelings.

No not at all, thing is a barely play those classes. But I don't see the point in poeple screaming l2p for pointing out obvious flaws in mechanics either.
But nice try tho. Couldn't care less about your pathetic atempt of a taunt.

On topic please you two.

What I fail to see is if the addon is availble for everyone how is it cheating or explioting if one person chose to use it and another one doesn't???
It's not like the addon is exclusive for some people. What the addon does is cleaning up hotbars more then anything else. The ones oposing the addons i feel are more in the line with "Oh no it's gonna make people do better against me" Without takin into acount how it smoothens out the playing for alot of classes due to bad design.
If you wanna ban the addon it's fine by me, I barley use it. This is a complete objective opinion from me. I think it helps out with a couple of clumpsy mechanics and abillties. and clean up the hotbar. I'd rather see it stay tho,

roadkillrobin wrote:What I fail to see is if the addon is availble for everyone how is it cheating or explioting if one person chose to use it and another one doesn't???
It's not like the addon is exclusive for some people. What the addon does is cleaning up hotbars more then anything else. The ones oposing the addons i feel are more in the line with "Oh no it's gonna make people do better against me" Without takin into acount how it smoothens out the playing for alot of classes due to bad design.
If you wanna ban the addon it's fine by me, I barley use it. This is a complete objective opinion from me. I think it helps out with a couple of clumpsy mechanics and abillties. and clean up the hotbar. I'd rather see it stay tho,

Cheating is cheating regardless of whether or not it's available to everyone. Most exploits / cheats are in fact available to everyone. Would you argue that typing in cheat codes in Doom (IDDQD), StarCraft (ShowMeTheMoney) or Age of Empires (PepperoniPizza), wouldn't be cheating because the very same codes were available to everyone? How does that logic make any sense?

For me, it's not really about other people having an advantage, per say. It's more about honor and fighting fair. There's just something cheap about having a program essentially playing the game for you. If an MMO is all about pressing 1, 2, 3 and 4, and you only have to press 1 and 2 with NBs, then you have effectively halfed the skill-cap of whatever you're doing. This is why "easy" classes in MMOs and/or RPGs are called "faceroll": You could probably play the class by rolling your face over the keyboard. And w ith NB, you can make pretty much all the classes of WAR faceroll.

I think skill and dedication should be rewarded. Not the three clicks to download an addon. It is however important to note that the action of downloading and setting up addons themselves, IS a dedication, to some extend. But NB just takes the "advantage" a bit too far, if you ask me. Just my personal opinion.

For me nerfed buttons seems necessary atleast in some cases like the ones listed here in the op, dealing with lag it makes it hard to get positional's off putting go for the soft spot over slasha is basically standard procedure and a quality of life thing at this point

I take pride in playing without NB. I like getting the feel for a class with all of it's buttons and situational use of abilities. I even play a BO without plan B or NB. I'm not 100% perfect, but at least I can say I played it.

This game is a bit too easy to macro with NB, actually the level of automation that's possible is more than what's possible in any other game I've played.

Torquemadra wrote: While I agree with you to around 90%, I did know a girl with cerebral palsy who played on live who would have been unable to play at all without it. An infinitesimal percentage of the playerbase have a legitimate "need" for it though

That would then be the exception, rather than the rule, if you ask me. The problem for me, is when relatively normal and healthy* players use this, and then try to justify it.

* Normal and healthy should be taken with a grain of salt, in this context.