Lack of destro in EU prime time.

[kristof5]

If destro players will unite in such prepared packs, then we will seriously fight. Until this, there will be x-realming after one serious push every damned time. But.. We always prefer unfair fight against overcrowd ((=

No offence, but it is 9 time out of 10 PF being the overcrowded ones. Amount of times we've had decent fights in the lakes, only for PF to come with like 300 WBs and completely neuter the PvP is beyond remembering.

Agreed with Morf. It's nice to see people leaving solo players/lone wolves alone every so often =P

I respect what 6 mans do but what i've seen 6 mans do here is kill stragglers and people waiting for BO ticks, killing people escaping trough postern to name a few

You are not doing anything to lock a zone like this, whats gonna happen when city sieges come one day warbands are gonna make you win a siege not a 6man , sure a 6man will demolish pug warbands, but not an organized one


also a zerg is a mindless blob of people i wouldnt name an organized warband a zerg it's not cause it's more then 6 people that i should be called a zerg. all those pugs whining about organized warbands should instead do something about it and make an Orvr guild instead of being another 6 man guild.



just my 2 cents!

[Jaycub]

This game doesn't really facilitate competitive 6v6, even in SC's its 12v12 and you are stuck with 6 randoms and even if you finally get your premade v premade fight in a SC... it usually boils down to which side has the shittiest pugs/group comp to take advantage of. For instance if one sides pugs have no healer and yours do... it's going to be very hard if not impossible for the other side to win unless they are leagues ahead of you in terms of skill and group setup.

As for ORvR and what 6 mans contribute, you are right. But I think again it's a case of hate the game not the player. 6 mans are usually by definition hardcore so they are chasing whatever is going to give them the most medallions, or RR if the cap ever gets increased. And that means doing a lot of things that are contradictory to what the realm needs in order to def or lock a zone.

The only time I saw these type of players going out of their way to help their realm was in T4 if city sieges were at stake, they might sit on a BO and def it at the cost of more RR/Medals in order to secure the lock. But this was of course a double edged sword and if the other realm was close to a city siege they would remove themselves from ORvR completely or just about in order to let them open up the city so they could get loot from defending the city in a totally rigged instance against pugs :^).

[Vaul]

Hat's off to OP and Kings for initiating this discussion and in a diplomatic manner.

Do you think we could get a list on both Order and Destro of the guilds who want to be ACTIVE in RvR, their recruitment status and preferred playstyle?

[Zanilos]

Hat's off to OP and Kings for initiating this discussion and in a diplomatic manner.

Do you think we could get a list on both Order and Destro of the guilds who want to be ACTIVE in RvR, their recruitment status and preferred playstyle?

Yes, everyone who wants to help can send me a pm or post on this thread and I will make edits on the opening post.

[Arctiqq]

If destro players will unite in such prepared packs, then we will seriously fight. Until this, there will be x-realming after one serious push every damned time. But.. We always prefer unfair fight against overcrowd ((=

No offence, but it is 9 time out of 10 PF being the overcrowded ones. Amount of times we've had decent fights in the lakes, only for PF to come with like 300 WBs and completely neuter the PvP is beyond remembering.

Agreed with Morf. It's nice to see people leaving solo players/lone wolves alone every so often =P

Don't believe anyone is still taking serious things you say about PF, with all your hate and butthurt towards them For Christ's sake, you even try to humiliate each time in /advice. I really wonder whatever did they do to you. And about your 6 man premades. Seriously, you guys from deviate suck so much, I've seen your premade just stand in Mourkaine Temple camp, refusing to go down and fight order, saying "we do what we want, and we like to stay in camp blah, blah, blah". Disband your guild please, and leave this server mate, stop making a fool out of your self

[Satoq]

We've been saying this from the start.... 6 mans are irrelevant besides being a platform for 17 year olds who like to hold eachothers pecker on TS. Smashing a couple of pugs while running double/tripple heal and double guard, doing this with two fingers up your nose isn't what most people consider skillfull.

Besides, like Jaycub said: This game aint made for 6 mans.

Anyways stop derailing this thread. Kuddos to both Kings Own AND PF. Lets hope we can get some proper fights sorted.

[Zanilos]

Stay on topic pls. No 6 man bashing.

[Morf]

also a zerg is a mindless blob of people i wouldnt name an organized warband a zerg it's not cause it's more then 6 people that i should be called a zerg.

I make you right but would also say if a full group decided to chase and kill a solo guy i would say they zerged the guy. not because of how many players but how outnumbered the solo player was, a situation where they stood no chance.

We've been saying this from the start.... 6 mans are irrelevant besides being a platform for 17 year olds who like to hold eachothers pecker on TS. Smashing a couple of pugs while running double/tripple heal and double guard, doing this with two fingers up your nose isn't what most people consider skillfull.

Besides, like Jaycub said: This game aint made for 6 mans.

Anyways stop derailing this thread. Kuddos to both Kings Own AND PF. Lets hope we can get some proper fights sorted.

You could see it that way or you could see it this way..wb v wb fights are often aoe spam fights where the bigger force wins, they are often the exactly the same as the last wb v wb fight, where you stay in a blob and everyone uses the same 3 buttons, sure it can be fun every now and then but some players prefer different pvp, where positioning, applying of good or bad cc, kiting, assisting etc etc is more important and each fight is different, its more challenging and you can learn alot more not only about your class but also about your enemies.

[Zanilos]

You should have movement speed reduction on strafe. That is another topic though.

This whole topic isn't lets go for 24 vs 24. or 1000000 wbs vs 1000000 wbs. Its lets get the server moving. In a positive way for EVERYONE. I couldn't care less if Sekundus wants to kill 50 scrubs in a zone. I have no issue with 6 mans kiting across a zone while nerf buttons does it work. What I want is a Zone where the BOs are flipping. People are killing. RPs are flowing for EVERYONE. We make this game what it is. Lets make some positive attitude changes.

P.S no flame on Sekundus. Best kiter EU.

[Nanji]

With all the bashing going on towards 6 men grps I might ask my grp to reconsider their decision whenever we are about to help out a friendly wb again.

Just leaving this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVSAfAP_4U8