Return of Reckoning

nat3s wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:23 pm It's not nostalgia, live was just the better game, you had a strong progression hook up to rr100, better tactics and, whilst WH/WL were beasts, AM/Sham were not half as destructive to the meta. 2H tanks were move viable, Mara was just a **** on live though lol

EDIT: Also LOTD was more fun with the PQs.

nat3s wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:23 pm It's not nostalgia, live was just the better game, you had a strong progression hook up to rr100, better tactics and, whilst WH/WL were beasts, AM/Sham were not half as destructive to the meta. 2H tanks were move viable, Mara was just a **** on live though lol

EDIT: Also LOTD was more fun with the PQs.

nat3s wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:23 pm It's not nostalgia, live was just the better game, you had a strong progression hook up to rr100, better tactics and, whilst WH/WL were beasts, AM/Sham were not half as destructive to the meta. 2H tanks were move viable, Mara was just a **** on live though lol

EDIT: Also LOTD was more fun with the PQs.

nat3s wrote: Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:23 pm It's not nostalgia, live was just the better game, you had a strong progression hook up to rr100, better tactics and, whilst WH/WL were beasts, AM/Sham were not half as destructive to the meta. 2H tanks were move viable, Mara was just a **** on live though lol

EDIT: Also LOTD was more fun with the PQs.

Omegus wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:02 am Live was great if you were ahead of the curve on a great class as the power you had was far greater than the power you would have here. For everyone else it was a horror show.

Omegus wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:02 am ... and the speed proc meta ...

lumpi33 wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:09 am

Omegus wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:02 am Live was great if you were ahead of the curve on a great class as the power you had was far greater than the power you would have here. For everyone else it was a horror show.

I wouldn't sign that. RoR has it's own major downsides.

It's not only the games fault, people just play it in a different way now. Do you know the game show "survivor"? It's still the same game show after all but people are playing it with a lot different and optimized strategies now. Same happened to this game. Even if you would roll back to live version you wouldn't get same game play as back then. People are more experienced now, more veterans, better communicating and coordinating, switch to overpowered classes way more quickly, minding more about their kills and deaths, etc, etc.

Overall Id say that the smaller group and solo fights are happening a lot less now. At the same time the amount of coordinated premade warbands increased. The first is a consequence of the latter. When there are many premades mowing over solos and small groups then there will be less solos, small groups or pug wbs. Then you have classes like WH/WE and dps AM/shaman that outshine everything else in 1:1 and small skirmishes. There is no point to try running solo with any other class. You will get jumped by stealthers and dotted up by AMs/shamans.

The thing is that roaming premades love to roll over masses of pug players. When the pug players leave the game so will the premades.

That being said the focus should be on new players, pug scenarios, pug groups, 1:1 and small skirmishes. They are keeping the game alive, not the premades that will just disappear when the game gets empty or too boring.

The synergies and survivability of premade warbands with 2/2/2 setup is far too good right now. You can't hurt them without good coordination, which pugs don't have. WHs/WEs and dps AMs/shamans are also far too dominant right now. They will destroy any other player in 1:1 with ease. Unless something is being done about these two things, people will not try to go out there solo or in small group trying to find fights - at least not for long. That's a major difference to how live once was. People do log off when they can't get kills and being non-stop stomped, either by warbands or dominant 1:1 classes. That's not a whine, that's a fact.

Omegus wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:02 am ... and the speed proc meta ...

So the speed proc meta is a problem in your opinion and the gits speed proc is not? Id like to understand your logic. With roaming premades speed procs/abilities would be more than welcomed for the solos and small groups to get away from approaching premades on horses.

lumpi33 wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:09 am

Omegus wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:02 am Live was great if you were ahead of the curve on a great class as the power you had was far greater than the power you would have here. For everyone else it was a horror show.

I wouldn't sign that. RoR has it's own major downsides.

It's not only the games fault, people just play it in a different way now. Do you know the game show "survivor"? It's still the same game show after all but people are playing it with a lot different and optimized strategies now. Same happened to this game. Even if you would roll back to live version you wouldn't get same game play as back then. People are more experienced now, more veterans, better communicating and coordinating, switch to overpowered classes way more quickly, minding more about their kills and deaths, etc, etc.

Overall Id say that the smaller group and solo fights are happening a lot less now. At the same time the amount of coordinated premade warbands increased. The first is a consequence of the latter. When there are many premades mowing over solos and small groups then there will be less solos, small groups or pug wbs. Then you have classes like WH/WE and dps AM/shaman that outshine everything else in 1:1 and small skirmishes. There is no point to try running solo with any other class. You will get jumped by stealthers and dotted up by AMs/shamans.

The thing is that roaming premades love to roll over masses of pug players. When the pug players leave the game so will the premades.

That being said the focus should be on new players, pug scenarios, pug groups, 1:1 and small skirmishes. They are keeping the game alive, not the premades that will just disappear when the game gets empty or too boring.

The synergies and survivability of premade warbands with 2/2/2 setup is far too good right now. You can't hurt them without good coordination, which pugs don't have. WHs/WEs and dps AMs/shamans are also far too dominant right now. They will destroy any other player in 1:1 with ease. Unless something is being done about these two things, people will not try to go out there solo or in small group trying to find fights - at least not for long. That's a major difference to how live once was. People do log off when they can't get kills and being non-stop stomped, either by warbands or dominant 1:1 classes. That's not a whine, that's a fact.

Omegus wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:02 am ... and the speed proc meta ...

So the speed proc meta is a problem in your opinion and the gits speed proc is not? Id like to understand your logic. With roaming premades speed procs/abilities would be more than welcomed for the solos and small groups to get away from approaching premades on horses.