Re: DoK/WP with book/chalice...
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:27 pm
No, AM/Sham have better res management at back line than the other healers.
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Agreed 100%. This is what we need to figure out (not if Doks are performing better than Sham/Zeal in most situations; that is pretty much agreed by most players, good or bad).Gobtar wrote:There seems to be a ton of "rationalization" and drinking of kool-aid when it comes to the "fine-ness" of healers.
If WP/Dok are fine and Cloth healer are fine then we wouldn't have the disparity that we have. If cloth healers are trickier then they should have vastly better rewards for playing them well...not 150% for mediocrity. There is ample proof behind the fact that WP/Dok is the superior choice in every "relevant" arena of RoR.
Only one of the statements can be true:
-WP/Doks are where healers should be in power. Other classes need to be brought inline strength wise.
-Cloth healers are where healers should be power wise. Wp/Dok need to be adjusted.
We need to determine which of these statements is true before we can continue. I personally believe that it's former.
Which cuts into Grace/Wrath's ability to get RF in a hurry, and further cripples Wrath's already piss-poor damage.roadkillrobin wrote:For example making Smite/Essence Lash hit 3 targets max and llimit the range to 30 feet..
You can limit that to having a book/chalice or not as well : >ThePollie wrote:Which cuts into Grace/Wrath's ability to get RF in a hurry, and further cripples Wrath's already piss-poor damage.roadkillrobin wrote:For example making Smite/Essence Lash hit 3 targets max and llimit the range to 30 feet..
Again, important enough a distinction to mention it.noisestorm wrote:You can limit that to having a book/chalice or not as well : >ThePollie wrote:Which cuts into Grace/Wrath's ability to get RF in a hurry, and further cripples Wrath's already piss-poor damage.roadkillrobin wrote:For example making Smite/Essence Lash hit 3 targets max and llimit the range to 30 feet..
I disagree with this comment, a DoK will run out of soul essence quickly and would have to spend 5 seconds channeling it back. Alot can happen in 5 seconds. For a DoK to out heal all other classes they need to be mid-range if not close range to use essence lash effectively. The chalice itself is not enough regen itself.Morf wrote:As penril said, they can do better then the 4 other healers while standing at the back, that for me is the problem, i dont want to see them nerf so every dok/wp healer is pissed i wana see them fulfil the role they were meant to be, frontline healers not backline healers with better resource management then the other 4 healers.Bacta wrote:DoK's and WP's are fine, I don't remember this much complaining on live...The difference between these 2 healers compared to the rest is that they are meant to be front line healers that stay close to the tanks and MDPS. While the other healers stick back to the RDPS and are able to heal and kite from danger.
Im not sure complaining is the right word to use although i could see why, the fact that any imput the community had on live feel on deaf ears anyway meant ppl were more inclined to just get on with it, here devs are open with the community and seem to have a better insight into the game then any of the old devs(atleast since i started playing the game) so with the players input we will hopefully see improvements.
Not every suggestion for balance/nerf/buff to any class is a good idea but with everyone giving suggestions i believe the game will be in a better state and in the case of wp/dok im sure this will be the case.
Correct, this is what people seem to ignore.Bacta wrote:
I disagree with this comment, a DoK will run out of soul essence quickly and would have to spend 5 seconds channeling it back. Alot can happen in 5 seconds. For a DoK to out heal all other classes they need to be mid-range if not close range to use essence lash effectively. The chalice itself is not enough regen itself.