[Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.

[TenTonHammer]

YMM and Challenge: Stack

This...shouldnt be happening right? abilities are not supposed to stack with other abilities right? Especially 2 abilities that debuff the samething?

[Dabbart]

At a guess, it would be because one lowers physical damage, and the other lowers all damage... seems like it could be a little excessive, but I'm totally adding it to my def BO build(testing withstanding)

[footpatrol2]

@tentonhammer
No it should stack

[DokB]

isnt ROCK'ARD something important ? it gives u shield...

Tried Rock ‘Ard for a few weeks. Absolutely garbage in my opinion.

You can’t free cast it, which means you have to use it on someone at 5ft to make use of it (meaning you can’t reliably have an absorb shield when chased by ranged classes), compared with the SM Protection of Hoeth where you can free cast it, has better damage absorb and even costs less AP to use. Not to mention the damage absorb value is crap as well.

[Collateral]

Yep rock ard is total crap. It's almost as bad as the subjugator shield proc, you basicaly don't even notice it.

[DokB]

So I've been running 5 Conq, 4 Beastlord for a while now and I'm quite pleased with the results. It feels like you can finally make a Black Orc build with some good sustain. If you run it alongside Da Toughest, that's about 420HP every 10 seconds and 1000HP every 20 seconds if the enemy is stupid enough to hit you. I swapped out Rugged for I'm Da Biggest for a laugh and you sit just below the Wounds softcap which is pretty amusing. You do lose a lot of strength however by running Conq but with STR talis and with some renown investment, I sit at around 820 STR, 460 toughness, 940 wounds, 400 WS (I swap between Rugged/I'm Da Biggest depending on how tanky I need to be).

Next step is to get the 2H Subjugator and see what 2h BO is like in the lakes with a bit of sustain behind it.

[Dabbart]

GL! I want one too, that speed proc could be epic...

You could run jewelry from Kyrie Sek(KV Lair Boss), which gives stats, 40/4s HP regen and 2%reduced armor pen, also. But the winds impervious is really needed... but that'd put you at 1600hp every 20s. Could be a fun build...

[Collateral]

What's your armour? I never go bellow 550 toughness, i just feel incredibly squishy. And 820 str?? Lol, I'm at 340. Isn't that a bit of an overkill? I imagine a bo as an annoying cc and buff machine more than a dps. I also got my 5p conq today and tested it out a bit. It was nice for running solo with heal tactic and the biggest with can't hit me, it is pretty tanky. You could solo 2-3 people and still get kills, if not even stay alive (that would require some bad players though ). I'm not sure if I'll ever run it in a wb, the bl proc is just too good to pass on. Also what is your initiative and resists?

[DokB]

Armor is a tiny bit below 4000 if I recall correctly. Can go as high as 4200 with Tuff As Nails if I’m in a pinch. Initiative sits at around 180, with 2 in Futile Strikes. I sit at about 6% to be crit. With a zealot buff that gives somewhere around 4% and if your initiative stat steal goes off you go as low as 0.0%. I always used to run at least 600 toughness and if I run Rugged rather than Im Da Biggest then I sit at about 620 toughness, but I had a change of heart recently. I always noticed that I’d be getting targeted by un-mitigatable moral damage from Bright Wizards/Engies/White Lions etc. so I’ve been experimenting with the racial tactic for a bit to see how it fairs.

Resists I usually just slot 1 of the Winds Impervious gems depending who I’m fighting against and rely on my group mates for a resist buff. The extra resists from Beastlord items also help out here to help reach the resists softcap. I can’t softcap every resist stat unfortunately so I get by with just having one or two of them softcapped.

I’ve always imagined the BO as an offtank with really good damage (for a tank) to assist your melee dps guard target. At least 750 STR is always my aim for the Black Orc, anything below that and I just feels like I’m tickling them. With my morale 2 + Saving Me Hide, I can still give myself around a 260 toughness buff if I want. The skills that the BO has to offer makes me feel that he we would be a waste as anything other than an offtank DPS assist which maintains high amounts of pressure/CC/debuffs to targets. I don't feel that you need to build him super tanky to do your job well.

I would never run the healing tactic in a serious environment either, waste of a tactic slot in my opinion. The heal isn’t that good, but I guess it would be fun for a joke build to be healing everyone for a bit. I think the max I could get from the healing tactic is 110HP for everyone within 100ft every 3 seconds. I think the best healing I've done in a SC is something like 30K with (5) Conq and the tactic.

EDIT: formatting

[Collateral]

No I don't use the heal tactic in groups. I just run it when I'm solo yoloing. It gives you a decent amount of survivability, and in my mind, survivability = damage. I see too many 2 h bos (and tanks in general) who are bellow me in damage in scs. And I know they stack str like no tommorow, cuz you know why would you use anything else. But they melt so quickly, plus I have to waste my guard on them. So since I can survive a lot longer, I can also deal more damage and cc more enemies. In any case I can try running with more str for a change, but I never felt it was too neccesary to achieve your role.