[White Lion] Pounce need a Cooldown

[Valfaros]

really ever played something else than Warhammer ever seen such ability on no cooldown.

As already stated: Yes, there are other MMOs with gap-closer with no cooldown. So this 'No other MMO does have that!!'-argument is invalid.

Aha and in these stated games there is only one "special snowflake" which offers such an ability without a CD, probabbly not if so im glad I didn't hear of those games.

Ps. Really if you quote take the whole sentence and not only the part where you can apply your statement to it.

[Liandel]

really ever played something else than Warhammer ever seen such ability on no cooldown.

As already stated: Yes, there are other MMOs with gap-closer with no cooldown. So this 'No other MMO does have that!!'-argument is invalid.

In rift, gap closers not only root or stun the target, but they also remove all movement-impairing effects on the player and there are ways to refresh the cooldown in certain specs that can make it virtually spammable.

The game has been around since 2011 and nobody has complained about it because there are counters to it. Just like there are in Warhammer.

[7rere7]

really ever played something else than Warhammer ever seen such ability on no cooldown.

As already stated: Yes, there are other MMOs with gap-closer with no cooldown. So this 'No other MMO does have that!!'-argument is invalid.

In rift, gap closers not only root or stun the target, but they also remove all movement-impairing effects on the player and there are ways to refresh the cooldown in certain specs that can make it virtually spammable.

The game has been around since 2011 and nobody has complained about it because there are counters to it. Just like there are in Warhammer.

"Virtually spammable".....lol . Does that mean Rift class gap closer ability has a no cooldown or not?
A 5 sec pounce is virtually spammable too lol !

LIst the class character and ability in Rift that gives the "gap closer" no cooldown ? Not like it matters to me concering pounce,just curious . Plus your pointing out about burden of proof so why not ?

[Desidus]

Just apply the stacking snare for jumping to pounce as well, seeing that technically it's a jump...

[th3gatekeeper]

I still haven't seen any evidence that pounce spam is actually a real problem. Nobody has given any evidence that the spammable nature of pounce is the only thing to blame for their losses. So far I haven't seen any screenshots, videos, or combat logs that prove this. Making a drastic change to an ability to the way it functioned on live should demand the burden of proof be on the complainers, and so far I haven't seen any numbers or hard data to support the other side.

You need to prove why pounce spam is causing you to lose fights. You're the one asking for nerfs to other classes, so prove it. How is pounce being spammed causing you to lose? What evidence do you have to support this? Can you screenshot or provide hard evidence that that's the ONLY contributing factor towards your failure to win?

The burden of proof is on people who are demanding another class to be nerfed, so far I have heard a lot of words but no hard proof. Even the person who said that he'd upload a video after work hasn't done so, and it has been 24 hours.

This is just a joke quite frankly man.. I suggest you quit while ahead. You are coming across very desperate "you need to prove its causing you to lose fights" are you kidding? Thats not even what this is about "losing fights"... First off, noone is saying "nerf pounce because its causing me to lose" nor is that the requirement for a nerf. A nerf comes when something is deemed too strong or abusive, NOT when its an "auto win" or "causes a win". Not to mention how can ANYONE point to one ability that is "the cause" for a loss or win. This just sounds dumb dude.. Not calling YOU dumb, but this line of thinking makes no sense.

You can say that about ALL the changes. I have not seen ONE SHRED of evidence for people losing fights when Chosen spam rending blade.... Yet it was put at a 5 sec CD. I mean cmon.... thats un reasonable and you are pitting yourself against the majority here AND the Devs who have stated in this thread that they are looking into Pounce.

Pounce is a spammable gap closer that also deals damage. If you cant see how this is a little too OP, noone can show you.... Its common sense! Abilities like this shouldnt be spammable. If it offered NO damage, sure why not make it spammable. If it wasnt a gap closer and JUST a damage dealer - sure make it spammable... But both? Its silly...

I dont need to PROVE what common sense can clearly show. Pounce needs to be looked at. The only people defending it are WLs, that tells you something.

Look dude, I play both factions, as do MANY people in this game. Ive had WLs on my team, Ive guarded them, and Ive also played AGAINST them too. I dont have a Bias towards or against WLs... I laugh in glee watching them pounce spam when I am on my SM or Knight KNOWING its overpowered and how furstrating it is for Destro. When I am on Destro guys, it pisses me off to NO END at how broken it is.

Its common sense. If you think Pounce should stay, then I need YOU to show ME proof on why Rending Blade needs to be 5 seconds. I need to see documented videos that show how it caused a loss. I wont hold my breath.

[th3gatekeeper]

Just apply the stacking snare for jumping to pounce as well, seeing that technically it's a jump...

Wont matter as the stacking snare isnt for very much and you STILL move faster if you jump even when its applied LOL. The snare did very little to actually combat the issue and IMO the snare should be increased as you STILL run faster jumping.....

[Desidus]

I'm all for letting them keep pounce as spammable but removing the damage component. Then it would truly conform to all the other "gap closers"

[Desidus]

But in all seriousness,

A 10-15 second CD with a 40-60% snare that lasts 5 seconds wouldn't be too shabby.

And for those that argue the snare isn't long enough, the snare on pet, plus core snare can also be applied through that window.

Additionally, or alternatively, to prevent Pounce from being used in mid air (and countering defensive Cc like punts) give it a .5second cast time. This is minimal, and actually means defensive CC by tanks / healers will mean something against them again. Because currently, there is minimal reason to punt a WL.

[Liandel]

I still haven't seen any evidence that pounce spam is actually a real problem. Nobody has given any evidence that the spammable nature of pounce is the only thing to blame for their losses. So far I haven't seen any screenshots, videos, or combat logs that prove this. Making a drastic change to an ability to the way it functioned on live should demand the burden of proof be on the complainers, and so far I haven't seen any numbers or hard data to support the other side.

You need to prove why pounce spam is causing you to lose fights. You're the one asking for nerfs to other classes, so prove it. How is pounce being spammed causing you to lose? What evidence do you have to support this? Can you screenshot or provide hard evidence that that's the ONLY contributing factor towards your failure to win?

The burden of proof is on people who are demanding another class to be nerfed, so far I have heard a lot of words but no hard proof. Even the person who said that he'd upload a video after work hasn't done so, and it has been 24 hours.

This is just a joke quite frankly man.. I suggest you quit while ahead. You are coming across very desperate "you need to prove its causing you to lose fights" are you kidding? Thats not even what this is about "losing fights"... First off, noone is saying "nerf pounce because its causing me to lose" nor is that the requirement for a nerf. A nerf comes when something is deemed too strong or abusive, NOT when its an "auto win" or "causes a win". Not to mention how can ANYONE point to one ability that is "the cause" for a loss or win. This just sounds dumb dude.. Not calling YOU dumb, but this line of thinking makes no sense.

You can say that about ALL the changes. I have not seen ONE SHRED of evidence for people losing fights when Chosen spam rending blade.... Yet it was put at a 5 sec CD. I mean cmon.... thats un reasonable and you are pitting yourself against the majority here AND the Devs who have stated in this thread that they are looking into Pounce.

Pounce is a spammable gap closer that also deals damage. If you cant see how this is a little too OP, noone can show you.... Its common sense! Abilities like this shouldnt be spammable. If it offered NO damage, sure why not make it spammable. If it wasnt a gap closer and JUST a damage dealer - sure make it spammable... But both? Its silly...

I dont need to PROVE what common sense can clearly show. Pounce needs to be looked at. The only people defending it are WLs, that tells you something.

Look dude, I play both factions, as do MANY people in this game. Ive had WLs on my team, Ive guarded them, and Ive also played AGAINST them too. I dont have a Bias towards or against WLs... I laugh in glee watching them pounce spam when I am on my SM or Knight KNOWING its overpowered and how furstrating it is for Destro. When I am on Destro guys, it pisses me off to NO END at how broken it is.

Its common sense. If you think Pounce should stay, then I need YOU to show ME proof on why Rending Blade needs to be 5 seconds. I need to see documented videos that show how it caused a loss. I wont hold my breath.

I never asked for a nerf to rending blade, nor was I involved in the decision making proccess behind it. You, on the other hand, are asking for a nerf, so you need to prove that it's OP. You haven't done that, you just say that it makes destro mad and needs a five second cooldown, but you don't say WHY. I haven't asked for a nerf to another class in this thread or elsewhere, instead I'm defending my class against an absurd hate mob.

What other reason would people have to ask for a nerf to an ability if it doesn't cause them to lose fights? Baiting strike is also spammable, but it has no impact on PvP, so people aren't whining about it. I just want to see evidence, like videos of fights where a WL has pouncespammed someone to death in a way that turns the tide of battle in such an unfair way that the only way destro could have won is if pounce had a CD.

[freshour]

I don't think we should have any cooldowns on anything. And that all moves should be spammable, deal damage, and all have snares. It will be like Opra for snares...

In reality and not on planet crazy pants where this Mowgli (jungle book reference) is from who knows so much about WL's.... IT NEEDS A COOLDOWN. It should not be spammed. You may not use it a lot b/c you might not be very good. I have seen WL's who drop 15-20 kb's an SC know exactly when to use it. Pounce here, pounce there, they use it a lot. Why worry about positioning when you can let your enemy do it for you lol. If you want to give it a snare cool. Give it a 10-15 second cooldown like other gap closers.

29 pages of a crazy man saying crazy things is fun, but eventually there needs to be logic... something that makes sense maybe.. To Liandel - not a single person here is taking you seriously. Nearly everyone here is trolling you. Everyone besides WL's thinks pounce needs a CD and most of them do anyway as well. Either give me what you're smoking or come back to reality please.