Return of Reckoning

ponko22 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 1:40 pm Why does the Destro side have so many unique, interesting, and highly effective utilities?

Choppa Pull
Mara Concussive Jolt
SH Outta My Way!
Zealot Wind of Insanity
BO You Wot
Magus Warp Traversal <- New!!!!

There are a lot more (Run Away, Kaboom!, Gork Sez Stop, etc.) and yeah, I'd like to know that too.

lumpi33 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 12:33 am

ponko22 wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 1:40 pm Why does the Destro side have so many unique, interesting, and highly effective utilities?

Choppa Pull
Mara Concussive Jolt
SH Outta My Way!
Zealot Wind of Insanity
BO You Wot
Magus Warp Traversal <- New!!!!

There are a lot more (Run Away, Kaboom!, Gork Sez Stop, etc.) and yeah, I'd like to know that too.

That's right. When playing Order, these skills can be frustrating and disrupt your formation, making them very troublesome.

When playing Destro, you don't experience that frustration; you simply feel like you're being killed due to a difference in player skill.

With this adjustment, the strength relationships will be as follows, making playing Destro far more enjoyable. (Who's afraid of an Assult SW that charges in naked without stealth lol)

SH >>> SW
Magus > Engineer
Sorc >= BW

ponko22 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 12:17 am

Orontes wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 6:09 pm

nocturnalguest wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 8:19 am Ohhhh, forums are delivering big times, community, you are so great! Misinformation, cluelessness, lack of basic knowledge, 0 game experience and ocean of tears from people who at best solo roam or pug. Rejoice, you are the only and one of skilled players on the server, the veterans, genuinely skilled veterans who cant showcase due to evil forces and devs bias!!! And no, it doesnt stops there, not only this, but somehow Teefz is now an official balance team member. Because how could SW be "destroyed" if not some personal vendetta or bias.

Its literally pure gold guys, forums havent been this amazing for years i swear.


Do you understand that at least one of official "Balance Team" is a famous SW elitist?
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Oh mighty chaos gods, astrologers predict a significant shortage of aluminum due to the explosive demand for tinfoil hats

Please keep it up lads, each morning i come to work, make myself a cup of tea and enjoy the show. I almost stopped scrolling memes, its so fun here hahaha

If one of the Dev Powers is a "SW elitist", he either:

- Stopped playing SW long long ago
- Has dementia
- Was outvoted by others

The product speaks for itself. It is absurdities stacked on top of each other. Scout is a mess. Skirmish has been gutted. Assault will remain a niche irrelevancy.

Since you appear to be a loyalist, here are some simple questions:

- Does the patch make the SW stronger or weaker?
- Now compare the post-patch SW to all the other RDPS. Which class will the post patch SW perform better than or be more of a threat to?
- What WB will want a SW as opposed to any other RDPS option?

Some people are happy that SW is being significantly nerfed, and I understand why. These kinds of games are easier and more fun when the opponent is weaker, and everyone wants that. I personally prefer gameplay that's tense and requires constant trial and error, because otherwise it becomes a simple, boring task.

However, if adjustments like this, which simply reduce damage, continue, all classes will gradually be weakened in order to equalize the game. How many skills do you think have been rendered useless compared to when it was live?

I think the tea sipping loyalist with his tsk tsk sentiment is likely an example. His perspective is void of substance and likely reduces to wanting the opposition weak.

Orontes wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 4:01 pm

ponko22 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 12:17 am

Orontes wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2026 6:09 pm

If one of the Dev Powers is a "SW elitist", he either:

- Stopped playing SW long long ago
- Has dementia
- Was outvoted by others

The product speaks for itself. It is absurdities stacked on top of each other. Scout is a mess. Skirmish has been gutted. Assault will remain a niche irrelevancy.

Since you appear to be a loyalist, here are some simple questions:

- Does the patch make the SW stronger or weaker?
- Now compare the post-patch SW to all the other RDPS. Which class will the post patch SW perform better than or be more of a threat to?
- What WB will want a SW as opposed to any other RDPS option?

Some people are happy that SW is being significantly nerfed, and I understand why. These kinds of games are easier and more fun when the opponent is weaker, and everyone wants that. I personally prefer gameplay that's tense and requires constant trial and error, because otherwise it becomes a simple, boring task.

However, if adjustments like this, which simply reduce damage, continue, all classes will gradually be weakened in order to equalize the game. How many skills do you think have been rendered useless compared to when it was live?

I think the tea sipping loyalist with his tsk tsk sentiment is likely an example. His perspective is void of substance and likely reduces to wanting the opposition weak.

I don’t mind that AOE SW got nerfed.

I do wonder a few things though:

1) if nerfing damage AND range AND crit damage is taking it overboard. We won’t know until patch is live.

2) why ST skirmish got hit in the process as an innocent bystander.

3) and why rDPS are escaping with no similar nerfs, and will be clearly superior in at least some of its specs.

The unfortunate outcome is that order is likely to go back to stacking WL + BW, whilst very few Slayers, Engineers and SWs may get a look in from an AOE perspective.

On the other hand, Scout could be viable although I’m not a fan of the play style. Assault looks really fun, and that’s my main anyways. Win some, lose some, across the specs I suppose.

rorswar wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 4:25 pm

Orontes wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 4:01 pm

ponko22 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 12:17 am

Some people are happy that SW is being significantly nerfed, and I understand why. These kinds of games are easier and more fun when the opponent is weaker, and everyone wants that. I personally prefer gameplay that's tense and requires constant trial and error, because otherwise it becomes a simple, boring task.

However, if adjustments like this, which simply reduce damage, continue, all classes will gradually be weakened in order to equalize the game. How many skills do you think have been rendered useless compared to when it was live?

I think the tea sipping loyalist with his tsk tsk sentiment is likely an example. His perspective is void of substance and likely reduces to wanting the opposition weak.

I don’t mind that AOE SW got nerfed.

I do wonder a few things though:

1) if nerfing damage AND range AND crit damage is taking it overboard. We won’t know until patch is live.

2) why ST skirmish got hit in the process as an innocent bystander.

3) and why rDPS are escaping with no similar nerfs, and will be clearly superior in at least some of its specs.

The unfortunate outcome is that order is likely to go back to stacking WL + BW, whilst very few Slayers, Engineers and SWs may get a look in from an AOE perspective.

On the other hand, Scout could be viable although I’m not a fan of the play style. Assault looks really fun, and that’s my main anyways. Win some, lose some, across the specs I suppose.

I agree with you. Aoe Skirmish needed a few nerfs for sure, just not sure the extra -10% damage on split arrows was also needed. Also yes, single target Skirmish did not need a nerf and honestly they should have just reverted Powerful Draw back to the +50% range on all Skirmish abilities like it was before.

Scout is still strong, but I can guarantee that against groups with a braincells, FA will be regularly cleansed so you and your group better cover your debuffs big time.

Assault still does damage but the 5 second aoe detaunt should be at least 10 seconds, same with Blurring Strike. 5 seconds on those feel WAY too short especially since we now have 0 defenses.

Do I think they will change anything of note in these specs before the launch of the patch? Nope. I can only hope that in the future they either thoroughly test possible weaknesses and strengths in house or at least get input from players who main the classes, unbiased.

PTS Update 29/07/2026


Based on the feedback the team has received thus far, several adjustments have been made. You can find these below.

Balance

Sorcerer
- Wind-Woven Shell: Replaced by Shatter.

Engineer
- Coordinated Fire: Damage increase reduced from 15% to 10%.

- Autoloader: Critical Hit chance reduced from 25% to 10%.

Magus
- Daemonic Withering: Damage increase reduced from 15% to 10%.

- Surging Power: No longer affects Baleful Transmogrification.

- Swift Flames: Reworked to: Whenever you cast Surging Violet Fire you become empowered, reducing the cast time of your next casted ability within 10 seconds by 25%. The cooldown of Surging Violet Fire is reduced by 5s.

- Daemonic Consumption - Threshold for nearly guaranteed critical hits lowered from 50% to 30%.

- Pink Horror’ Daemonic Fire: Cooldown increased from 8 to 10 seconds.

- Pink Horror’s Daemonic Consumption: Damage buff reverted back to 6 * (24 + 0.5*DB) and guaranteed critical hit health threshold reduced from 50% to 30%.

Shadow Warrior
- Festering Arrow: No longer able to cast on the move.

- Grim Slash: Strikethrough buff is no longer an Enchantment.

Squig Herder
- I Feelz Yer Pain: Duration increase to Poison Arrer improved from 7 to 8 seconds in total.

- Squig Frenzy: No longer increases the damage of damage procs.

- Gas Squig: Range increase changed from 15 feet to 10%.

Bug Fixes
- Several tooltips have been fixed.

- Big Claw: Now an Ailment.

- Squigbeast: Updated tooltip to show it does not increase proc damage (this was already the case, but not made clear on tooltip).

If you find any more bugs, please help the game by reporting them on the bug tracker!

Items

- The Creeping proc on the new Shieldbearer Shields has been replaced by Preservation.

Other
- The passives that Engineer's Turrets and Magi's Minions give to their owner are now displayed again.

Kinda funny u cave on Rdps rework, but when we gave feedback after the slashing on Mdps u stayed deadly quiet ? I kinda wanna know why ?

ravezaar wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 5:32 pm Kinda funny u cave on Rdps rework, but when we gave feedback after the slashing on Mdps u stayed deadly quiet ? I kinda wanna know why ?

Maybe the/your feedback was nonsense.
Just a thought.

ravezaar wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 5:32 pm Kinda funny u cave on Rdps rework, but when we gave feedback after the slashing on Mdps u stayed deadly quiet ? I kinda wanna know why ?

Boernsen wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 5:38 pm

ravezaar wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2026 5:32 pm Kinda funny u cave on Rdps rework, but when we gave feedback after the slashing on Mdps u stayed deadly quiet ? I kinda wanna know why ?

Maybe the/your feedback was nonsense.
Just a thought.

Or it didnt come from right ppl