Return of Reckoning

7rere7 wrote:
Wl's don't need guarded! Stay back line while guarded Slayers take front lines,when the slayer is being focused Wl pounce and assist slayer target enemy ! Pounce =kill ,charge back line ,rinse and repeat!
That's not enough ? Then also use Fetch = kill .
That's OP without even without being guarded !

I disagree with all of this. Every melee should have a guard and if you are runing a bomb group every single dps should have a guard.

Penril wrote:Which is the reason why Azarael and others (myself included) suggested adding a root or snare to Pounce. Even immunities were being discussed. Or did you miss that part?

Root would be fine, snare not. It should also ignore immunities and not grant an immunity of its own as to prevent WLs from being unwanted in premades due to handing out free immunities. Even then, the cd should be no longer than 5 or 7 seconds and improvements should be made to prevent it from misfiring (it does misfire a lot). The root should be 1.5 seconds at least and the WL should land on the target.

....though, even with this, I still haven't seen any evidence that pounce spam is actually a real problem. Nobody has given any evidence that the spammable nature of pounce is the only thing to blame for their losses. So far I haven't seen any screenshots, videos, or combat logs that prove this. Making a drastic change to an ability to the way it functioned on live should demand the burden of proof be on the complainers, and so far I haven't seen any numbers or hard data to support the other side.

Toldavf wrote:

7rere7 wrote:
Wl's don't need guarded! Stay back line while guarded Slayers take front lines,when the slayer is being focused Wl pounce and assist slayer target enemy ! Pounce =kill ,charge back line ,rinse and repeat!
That's not enough ? Then also use Fetch = kill .
That's OP without even without being guarded !

I disagree with all of this. Every melee should have a guard and if you are runing a bomb group every single dps should have a guard.

I agree Wl's ,ect should have a guard if available . My main point was to prove that WL's can be very affective unlike slayers without a guard!

Liandel wrote:

Penril wrote:Which is the reason why Azarael and others (myself included) suggested adding a root or snare to Pounce. Even immunities were being discussed. Or did you miss that part?

Root would be fine, snare not. It should also ignore immunities and not grant an immunity of its own as to prevent WLs from being unwanted in premades due to handing out free immunities. Even then, the cd should be no longer than 5 or 7 seconds and improvements should be made to prevent it from misfiring (it does misfire a lot). The root should be 1.5 seconds at least and the WL should land on the target.

....though, even with this, I still haven't seen any evidence that pounce spam is actually a real problem. Nobody has given any evidence that the spammable nature of pounce is the only thing to blame for their losses. So far I haven't seen any screenshots, videos, or combat logs that prove this. Making a drastic change to an ability to the way it functioned on live should demand the burden of proof be on the complainers, and so far I haven't seen any numbers or hard data to support the other side.

Majority on here agree pounce needs to tweaked ! Anyone that plays the game knows enough WL's spam pounce....no screenshot,ect needed!
If WL's don't spam pounce then whats the problem with pounce having a cooldown !

Wl's defending pounce is nearly as absurd as pounce itself!

7rere7 wrote:

Liandel wrote:

Penril wrote:Which is the reason why Azarael and others (myself included) suggested adding a root or snare to Pounce. Even immunities were being discussed. Or did you miss that part?

Root would be fine, snare not. It should also ignore immunities and not grant an immunity of its own as to prevent WLs from being unwanted in premades due to handing out free immunities. Even then, the cd should be no longer than 5 or 7 seconds and improvements should be made to prevent it from misfiring (it does misfire a lot). The root should be 1.5 seconds at least and the WL should land on the target.

....though, even with this, I still haven't seen any evidence that pounce spam is actually a real problem. Nobody has given any evidence that the spammable nature of pounce is the only thing to blame for their losses. So far I haven't seen any screenshots, videos, or combat logs that prove this. Making a drastic change to an ability to the way it functioned on live should demand the burden of proof be on the complainers, and so far I haven't seen any numbers or hard data to support the other side.

Majority on here agree pounce needs to tweaked ! Anyone that plays the game knows enough WL's spam pounce....no screenshot,ect needed!
If WL's don't spam pounce then whats the problem with pounce having a cooldown !

Wl's defending pounce is nearly as absurd as pounce itself!

You need to prove why pounce spam is causing you to lose fights. You're the one asking for nerfs to other classes, so prove it. How is pounce being spammed causing you to lose? What evidence do you have to support this? Can you screenshot or provide hard evidence that that's the ONLY contributing factor towards your failure to win?

The burden of proof is on people who are demanding another class to be nerfed, so far I have heard a lot of words but no hard proof. Even the person who said that he'd upload a video after work hasn't done so, and it has been 24 hours.

7rere7 wrote:

Majority on here agree pounce needs to tweaked ! Anyone that plays the game knows enough WL's spam pounce....no screenshot,ect needed!
If WL's don't spam pounce then whats the problem with pounce having a cooldown !

Wl's defending pounce is nearly as absurd as pounce itself!

Find it even funnier that they start to ask for a serious buffs (immunity ignoring root and landing on the target which was fixed because of body block...rly) by taking a small cooldown of ATLEAST 5s (or else WL riot or what...) this is getting more and more funny to read these demands.

Valfaros wrote:

7rere7 wrote:

Majority on here agree pounce needs to tweaked ! Anyone that plays the game knows enough WL's spam pounce....no screenshot,ect needed!
If WL's don't spam pounce then whats the problem with pounce having a cooldown !

Wl's defending pounce is nearly as absurd as pounce itself!

Find it even funnier that they start to ask for a serious buffs (immunity ignoring root and landing on the target which was fixed because of body block...rly) by taking a small cooldown of ATLEAST 5s (or else WL riot or what...) this is getting more and more funny to read these demands.

Do you have any proof that spamming pounce is making you lose or are you just going to hypocritically laugh at WLs making demands while you yourself make demands of them?

What kind of proof do I need it is a gap closer on no CD (in a game where noone has gap closers) really ever played something else than Warhammer ever seen such ability on no cooldown. Yes it needs to work as intended (bring you to the target so you can atleast use your snare) in order to justify a cooldown but nothing more than it already gives. How the devs are going to do that is up to them but packing also cc on it is definitly not what should happen.

Valfaros wrote:really ever played something else than Warhammer ever seen such ability on no cooldown.

As already stated: Yes, there are other MMOs with gap-closer with no cooldown. So this 'No other MMO does have that!!'-argument is invalid.

We've had this pounce discussion since t2...