Return of Reckoning

Penril wrote:But would that root ignore immunities? Or give away immunity? Mursie's suggestion for Pounce is a 10 sec CD + a 1 (or 2?) sec root on the target. If the target is immune, then 10 secs CD might be too much.

Maybe a 1-2 secs snare would be better? Something like 60% snare?

respects immovable immunity and grants a 10 second immunity when used (this is needed to prevent multiple WL's in an sc chain rooting a target - small chance but would be possible if no immunity granted).

Pounce would effectively become a form of cc to the WL. He's guaranteed to be on the target upon its use given that the target doesn't have the immovable immunity. Using this cc move incorrectly, on a target with immovable immunity already, would just react like it reacts currently... ie - you pounce towards target but they aren't rooted since they had immunity and therefore you likely wont be landing directly on them.

I don't like that it gives away immunity. Picture a BG harassing a RP in your backline. You are a KotBS and decide to punt him away... just to see a WL landing on him (he used the BG to Pounce back to safety) and now he is Immovable and immune to your punt. He continues harassing your RP (and even superpunts you away).

Make it a 1 sec root that ignores immunities (doesn't give them either). Or make it a 1-2 sec snare.

Penril wrote:I don't like that it gives away immunity. Picture a BG harassing a RP in your backline. You are a KotBS and decide to punt him away... just to see a WL landing on him (he used the BG to Pounce back to safety) and now he is Immovable and immune to your punt. He continues harassing your RP (and even superpunts you away).

Make it a 1 sec root that ignores immunities (doesn't give them either). Or make it a 1-2 sec snare.

I think the penalty for using pounce incorrectly would be good. And there is other counterplay in your scenario - ie. KD the BG. Plus the immunity would only be 10 seconds from the 1 sec root. But with regards to your specific situation, then I think at a minimum it should work like winds of insanity. Meaning, it respects existing immunities but does not grant it. So if a WL pounces to a target with immovable, it won't get rooted. But if it pounces to a target without immovable, it doesn't grant that immunity.


My concern with this approach though - is that multiple white lions could successively chain a target.. i fear the whine that this would generate from a player who comes to the board saying they were rooted for 1 second in place 4 times in a row in a scenario filled with WL's that pounced to him.

With regards to your snare approach - that doesn't solve the issue - which is a WL pouncing at a target that is at location A but by landing target is quite a bit aways in another location.

And then SM walks in and gives 30 sec free immunities.

Scrilian wrote:And then SM walks in and gives 30 sec free immunities.

No one care about your uncordinated 6 man

:^P

a root will be heavy hit for shammies... like killing the little that shaman brings for his group.

There already is a penalty for using pounce incorrectly-it's called "the WL gets blown the **** up."

Do you non-WL QQers have any idea how risky pounce actually is to use, and how much judgment it takes to use it offensively at all? MDPS are such cannon fodder in this game it's too risky to even get in range of RDPS most of the time.

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Liandel wrote:There already is a penalty for using pounce incorrectly-it's called "the WL gets blown the **** up."

Do you non-WL QQers have any idea how risky pounce actually is to use, and how much judgment it takes to use it offensively at all? MDPS are such cannon fodder in this game it's too risky to even get in range of RDPS most of the time.

Oh look, you pounced into guard range where your tank is pushing with the rest of the melee train. That was risky.