Dear DPS Healers.. from Us

[Genisaurus]

One thing that may alleviate a lot of complaints about DPS healers is a role-based queue for scenarios. I say this, because 90% of all the complaints about DPS healers seem to occur in the context of scenarios, especially solo-queuers. In other words, it't not the class itself or the players that are the problem, but the context in which they are exposed to each other.

Simply put, a role-based queue is a system that tries to ensure that a scenario has an even assortment of Tanks, RDPS, MDPS, and healers. Additionally, the queuing system might make a determinination about what slot a queued player fills, depending on their stats or specs. Does an AM have more intelligence than Willpower? They should be counted as an RDPS... unless they have more mastery points in Vaul than Asuryan, then they are just a hybrid healer. Etc. Obviously that formula would be different for every class.

So if you have 10 DPS Archmages queuing for a scenario, it is likely that only 4 or so will get placed in a single scenario, and they will take an RDPS slot instead of a healer slot.

The problem at the end of the day is this - no matter how much intelligence you slot, no matter how far into your DPS tree you spec, you still have access to a group heal and a cleanse. Sure, they might be only a fraction as good as those of an actual healer, but that utility is there. That's probably the tradeoff for not being able to do as much damage in group-play, but it might mean there's still some lingering resentment for DPS "healers."

[mursie]

One thing that may alleviate a lot of complaints about DPS healers is a role-based queue for scenarios. I say this, because 90% of all the complaints about DPS healers seem to occur in the context of scenarios, especially solo-queuers. In other words, it't not the class itself or the players that are the problem, but the context in which they are exposed to each other.

100% YES - this is what i'm saying. This is what disciplines fixed.

[Nishka]

Role-based queue seems the best solution. If it will be able to tell a dps-healer from a healer-healer, somehow.

[Nekkma]

This is what disciplines fixed.

Disciplines killed all diversity though. Most disciplines had in reality 1-3points to chose from as the rest was mandatory. Also, skanktanking, i.e. dps tanks in tank gear, and sorc selfhealing was completely out of control, so I don't really share the sentiment that disciplines solved the "hybrid issue". This was 5 months ago when i played it last time, long after the implementation of disciplines.

[mursie]

This is what disciplines fixed.

Disciplines killed all diversity though. Most disciplines had in reality 1-3points to chose from as the rest was mandatory. Also, skanktanking, i.e. dps tanks in tank gear, and sorc selfhealing was completely out of control, so I don't really share the sentiment that disciplines solved the "hybrid issue". This was 5 months ago when i played it last time, long after the implementation of disciplines.

The issues you raise are due to itemization and core class abilities that unfortunately, as some have already identified, are nearly impossible to avoid. (i.e. - a healer has to have some dmg abilities, how else would they level). Overtime, itemization can be fixed and Genis has already done that here.. in that sets are itemized for a role.. if you wear duelist WP gear and are heal specced... u will definitely be less adequate. But all in all, it did help correct the core issue of match-making for role type. More so than any previous solution.

[Vayra]

This is what disciplines fixed.

Disciplines killed all diversity though. Most disciplines had in reality 1-3points to chose from as the rest was mandatory. Also, skanktanking, i.e. dps tanks in tank gear, and sorc selfhealing was completely out of control, so I don't really share the sentiment that disciplines solved the "hybrid issue". This was 5 months ago when i played it last time, long after the implementation of disciplines.

Totally agree, I mained a Consular Shadow at release, running a very effective hybrid tank/dps build for pvp. That build is now impossible (though I can understand why, it was almost unkillable if you remember), and the classes are now reduced to 1 viable build per role they can play which is pretty sad and made me bored with the game very quickly when I tried it again last month.

e: also hi Nekkma

[TenTonHammer]

Every class works fine and the meta is perfect till some one mentions maras

Then bertin gets triggred :^)

A role based que would be absolutly amazing no more zerg rolling scs becuase you didnt have healers or a good class distribution

[mursie]

Then bertin gets triggred :^)

I'm sorry, but your continual mis-spelling of his name at some point begins to look borderline intentional. Further, every time you do mis-spell Bretin to be Bertin, I can't help but see this picture in my head. It just can't be unseen.

[kok]

So tonight, you log in and spec Wrath discipline on your WP - you are DPS. period.

Tomorrow, you log in and spec heals discpline on your WP - you are heals, period.

As I said, I think its great to give classes the flexibility to pick an archetype. That is what the discpline system does. Then when a scenario is qued and match-making looks to put x number of healers and x number of dps and x number of tanks... it knows what you are. So if you are wrath specced WP - you are a dps role. you don't take a heal spot role in that scenario..and it still looks to fill it.

This only work with WP/DPK
The Skill tree of RP/Zealot is hybrid by itself, there are dps skill and heal skill in EVERY Tree.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=zea;
Most AM , healer or dps in lvl 32 spec something like this
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=am; ... ;;0:0:0:0:
Even the tank tree is mixed up,
For example KOTBS
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=kot ... ;;0:0:0:0:
Is this tank or dps spec?

[Sulorie]

Its correct that people have to play the way they want, but based on my latest experiences with pugs and random SCs in T2, i appeal on those you want to go dps WP/AM to focus on healing your mates andjoining the groups for buffs/groupskills. for the sake of our collective success!
Destro seem to have constantly healers in SC, thats what i witnessed the last days

so you asking DPS specced AM for heals? Do you know how much he is able to "heal" in such spec? It's near to useless. So no, it's doesn't help to "collective success". Making proper party before joining scenario - yes.

AM can heal well enough with damage spec, because his tactic setup utilizes core tactics and all you need is to change equipment. Same goes for renown spec, which contains utility skills rather than offense or healing stats.