Glorian wrote:Lad, Aza is not dead. He isn't currently active though. So please don't use RIP.
Stood for Rest In Perpetualofflineness.
I lol'd.
I like the event. Yes, many returning players want to try to get to T4 immediately so they can start grinding for gear; I'd say there is another portion that enjoy playing each alt in T1 and mid tier. And yet still there is another portion that are completely new that still don't know the game but don't have many people/guildies to play with in mid tier. This event presents a nice compromise between all three groups and I hope it will be successful. If nothing more I look forward to the potential of having level 16s be super strong or super soft.
Re: Something something...
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:43 pm
by Yaliskah
Be assured i feel completely unsecure about this changes .
1- Cause thats a big modification of what War was and i know how playerbase is concerned about changes.
2- Cause obviously it can be an Epic Fail, and i keep this in mind. I know flamers are ready by your side ready to shoot .
3- Cause it is different, never tested and obvioulsly we will probably have to deploy tons of tweeks days after days. (If not, if everything perfect on the first shot, well, we are gods...).
But.
1- If we don't test, we will never know.
2- I''m a player like others, and well, i'm able to have an opinion by myself on what works and what don't, on what could be enhanced and what wouldn't work.
3- At any moment, i try to keep in mind a larger canvas than my character/friends/guild/faction POV.
4- As answered to Dresden before, you feel concerned, i feel responsible. I ask for Kindness from you all. My only purpose is to make this project better. We can fail, we will probably do mistakes, but we can be objectives, move back or fix.
Nobody will die, so thats not very important .
Now and to conclude. Of course Zani, set all players lvl 40 starting in T4 directly would solve LOT of issues. But what would be the limit to simplification? Some would argue Characters should be RR40 some other RR80, stuffed, unstuffed, with mounts, with free respec, and in the end, why not a GM server ? I just wanna point your vision is the easy solution, we all thinked about ( me the first, just playing on T4 Emp/chaos pair was my first suggestion in the early begining of this project), but it is the sadest too. Transforming a large world to a small one. (btw, starting the campaign in T2 is quite the same thing, cause this T2 will be the T4...)
What is the problem with T2 exactly? You wont have to debolster anymore ! I think moving armies around ostland/barak varr/elyrion will be quite fun, and if everybody plays the game (we can't fix this part), we can experience some great moments of war.
I think mixing all lvl 16+ will provide an healthy emulation who will easily supply all imperfections we will experience.
About Aza and ORvR in general ( and its rework in progress)
Spoiler:
Now you are talking about Azarael and the ORvR in general (we could add Genisaurus too). Both have all my respect for the huge work they has done for RoR, and more particularely for ORvR. This attemps to change things isn't a denial of his work. It is a step beyond. Aza was concerned to bring some "balance" to this game respecting "official" rules, tweeking step by step existant mecanics, and having reluctances to make big changes ( mostly because of playerbase reactions). It works fine, but it is heavy, cause the original mecanic was heavy.
We are looking for something more nervous, easy to understand, where each of you will have to make choices and determine what he can do, depending what he is exactly (low? solo? 6team? zerg? wb? guild? casual?. All this is complex, and just bringing little patch on older little patch wont solve anything. So "big" modification, big worries, maybe big fail, maybe good surprise. Unlike Aza, i'm ready to break everything (with common sense !!) for some time, just to see if something else is possible.
Unlike Aza, i don't fear repproaches, i try, and if i'm wrong, well my bad, lets rewind and restart. Feel free to blame me for that .
We don't wanna change the essence of the ORvR, we want to make it efficient.
Re: Something something...
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:55 pm
by Foltestik
btw how will it work with scenario will be only one tier for lvl 17-40 or same as now?
maybee you write it but its 24 pages
Re: Something something...
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:00 pm
by Zanilos
Spoiler:
Yaliskah wrote:Be assured i feel completely unsecure about this changes .
1- Cause thats a big modification of what War was and i know how playerbase is concerned about changes.
2- Cause obviously it can be an Epic Fail, and i keep this in mind. I know flamers are ready by your side ready to shoot .
3- Cause it is different, never tested and obvioulsly we will probably have to deploy tons of tweeks days after days. (If not, if everything perfect on the first shot, well, we are gods...).
But.
1- If we don't test, we will never know.
2- I''m a player like others, and well, i'm able to have an opinion by myself on what works and what don't, on what could be enhanced and what wouldn't work.
3- At any moment, i try to keep in mind a larger canvas than my character/friends/guild/faction POV.
4- As answered to Dresden before, you feel concerned, i feel responsible. I ask for Kindness from you all. My only purpose is to make this project better. We can fail, we will probably do mistakes, but we can be objectives, move back or fix.
Nobody will die, so thats not very important .
Now and to conclude. Of course Zani, set all players lvl 40 starting in T4 directly would solve LOT of issues. But what would be the limit to simplification? Some would argue Characters should be RR40 some other RR80, stuffed, unstuffed, with mounts, with free respec, and in the end, why not a GM server ? I just wanna point your vision is the easy solution, we all thinked about ( me the first, just playing on T4 Emp/chaos pair was my first suggestion in the early begining of this project), but it is the sadest too. Transforming a large world to a small one.
What is the problem with T2 exactly? You wont have to debolster anymore ! I think moving armies around ostland/barak varr/elyrion will be quite fun, and if everybody plays the game (we can't fix this part), we can experience some great moments of war.
I think mixing all lvl 16+ will provide an healthy emulation who will easily supply all imperfections we will experience.
About Aza and ORvR in general ( and its rework in progress)
Spoiler:
Now you are talking about Azarael and the ORvR in general (we could add Genisaurus too). Both have all my respect for the huge work they has done for RoR, and more particularely for ORvR. This attemps to change things isn't a denial of his work. It is a step beyond. Aza was concerned to bring some "balance" to this game respecting "official" rules, tweeking step by step existant mecanics, and having reluctances to make big changes ( mostly because of playerbase reactions). It works fine, but it is heavy, cause the original mecanic was heavy.
We are looking for something more nervous, easy to understand, where each of you will have to make choices and determine what he can do, depending what he is exactly (low? solo? 6team? zerg? wb? guild? casual?. All this is complex, and just bringing little patch on older little patch wont solve anything. So "big" modification, big worries, maybe big fail, maybe good surprise. Unlike Aza, i'm ready to break everything (with common sense !!) for some time, just to see if something else is possible.
Unlike Aza, i don't fear repproaches, i try, and if i'm wrong, well my bad, lets rewind and restart. Feel free to blame me for that .
We don't wanna change the essence of the ORvR, we want to make it efficient.
Yali rest assured that your attitude is a breath of fresh air on the forums. For too long players raising concerns were simply ignored and banned. So thank you for engaging in the conversation. I am attempting to be polite and reasonable as possible and anything that looks off, simply looks off. It isn't meant as a personal attack or an attack on your work.
I am not worried about change. I am worried that any expression other than saying that you are doing a super job, will result in cencership followed by the old 23 hr ban.
My issues are pretty simple. Lack of rewards, meaningful ones, will result in no one giving a **** about t2 and t3 maps after the excitment wares off. People will not play for the sake of it. Some will, but then some play t2 now right? If they really liked it, then we would have people chilling in tier 2 permanently already. The playerbase is the content in this game. We have had periods where the playerbase has dwindled to a point where there is no content in the past. I hope that the playbase will be interested enough in going to Elf T2 and making content happen. But its a long shot.
As for dumping people in tier 4 straight away, I agree it's not the best bet. But why not let people choose? This stage of the project making people jump hoops to level alts to play with friends is just silly.
I spoke to Aza often through many stages of development and I know exactly how he felt on groups of players, morales, keeps and anything else that required more than 12 people.
Re: Something something...
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:15 pm
by Glorian
@Zanilos: I think you overread the part Hargrim were he talked about Set Seals As an drop.
That aren't the green and purple things that are currently in for emperor gear or rr pots.
Someone recently asked for a new kind of Seal in Advice chat with an link to the item.
I have no knowledge more, but I believe we are talking here about something like one set seal = one emperor item.
Or I could be wrong.
Even If I am wrong. If you are with the current T4 population in T3 there will be a lot of green seals for emperor and overlord stuff.
Re: Something something...
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:19 pm
by Zanilos
Glorian wrote:@Zanilos: I think you overread the part Hargrim were he talked about Set Seals As an drop.
That aren't the green and purple things that are currently in for emperor gear or rr pots. But Seals who are there to buy set items.
What are set seals? I asked how much sets would cost he replied that the list is already up, so I assume that he meant medallions/crests. Nothing new.
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