[Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.

[peterthepan3]

It increases cd by 5 secs (including spammables)

[Daknallbomb]

Its a nice ab to piss off wp and runies

[Taranthula]

Here are my different builds that I enjoy playing

SnB DPS [Role: Off tank, High pressure] (mid-low utility, mid survivability, high damage)
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bo; ... :4470:4480:

Pros, you can guard easily thanks to your shield (Guard damage cares not for toughness or armor), you don't have the AoE snare or the Morale pump, so make sure you have a Def Chosen. Loss of aoe snare hurts but is managable if party has high damage output.

2h DPS [Role: lesser- Off tank, Snare bot, Spike damage] (mid Utility, High damage)
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bo; ... 8:;0:0:0:0:

You get the AoE snare which is pretty amazing, but you are a giant target, you are more DPS then tank, you can guard when needed, but you wont survive long under guard damage, need a dedicated primary tank who can float guard.

Zerg buster [Role: Solo tanking, Zerg busting, grinding[ (Utility, Low damage, tactics for Solo Grinding)
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bo; ... 0:;0:0:0:0:

This build is hilarious.You can survive a serious pounding, and thanks to skull thumper and shatter enchantment you can still be a menace. Keep things snared, KD only when necessary. Can't hit me is great for mitigating a train of damage on your guarded target but only use it when you are being focuse and need help, the real gem here is Immaculate D. Cycling with a chosen means you can take on numbers, you have no business fighting.

This build buys tactics that aren't used, that is for the PvE solo grinding, and keep defence loudmouth shenanigans.

For the DPS SnB, may I ask that stats you are focusing on? i.e. jewelry etc.

[Penril]

So what is this 2H spec Dalgrimmar/Peter are running, what gear are you wearing, tactics, renown points, etc?

I have always played SnB DPS but i decided I will give 2H a go, however I only know the loldps way. Thought maybe 2H defensive could be fun.

[DokB]

Hello again fellow Borcs,

I’ve been sinking a lot of time into Black Orc and I wanted to get some info from people with better experience.
What are some good tactic setups if I want to utilise YSMBD as a DPS SNB? Stab you Gooder & Gork Smash are a given since they are staple tactics for doing damage with T’ree hit combo. Normally I’d also slot Good Wiv Shield and all renown into block to have a nice solid 29-31% block rate.

Now comes the issue with the last tactic slot. Normally I would slot Big Brawlin in the last slot because it’s so damn useful. But I feel I should drop this for YSMBD but then I don’t have that juicy snare spam tactic. Anyone else have any experience with slotting YSMBD into a DPS SNB build? I’d like to be able to utilise YSMBD within the build without having to fully spec and slot my character for it.

If I am going to drop Big Brawlin for YSMBD then should I just respec and pick up the 9 point KD instead?
Thanks

[Freyn]

I've only been playing the past 2 weeks or so properly, and sunk my time into Black Orc as it was my main on live and no one else in my group of friends really wanted to play tank, I know it's different to live (although I didn't play the last 6 months or so of live anyway) but I have 2 questions re: Black Orcs on RoR.

1) Can't Hit Me, this used to be 9 points in the Toughest tree didn't it? When did it move up to 13? Really miss this from my build as a way to ease the stress for the healers, it was irritating enough on live that WODS on the SM was core, but now I can't get it at all

2) Block in general, gear levels were higher on live naturally, but I recall having between 50-60% block. On RoR I have 31%, despite using the 10% tactic (which I never ran on live), 7% from Ruin and 10% from RR. That puts my basic block level at 4%, which can't be right surely? Even with a lower gear level that's one hell of a big drop, has there been some big change to block rates in RoR I'm not aware of?

Those are the main two things I'm curious over atm, but is there any other big changes to the class a returning Blorc should know about?

[peterthepan3]

So what is this 2H spec Dalgrimmar/Peter are running, what gear are you wearing, tactics, renown points, etc?

I have always played SnB DPS but i decided I will give 2H a go, however I only know the loldps way. Thought maybe 2H defensive could be fun.

Haven't touched my BO for a while, but if I recall it was something like 2 piece ruin/2 piece (or 3) merc. You can go annihilator for the 5% parry, but you miss out on ruin's armor. Defensive 2h with parry proc, parry cloak, parry jewels (depends on comp, maybe armor if you're against double sl or wl/sl due to rampage). put all my RR into parry, and the rest into RD (you get enough crit from gork smash to provide decent dps assist)

basic brawler/boss spec but you use rugged, aoe snare, gork smash and GW tactic. i was running with around 50-55% parry max - which isn't nearly as good as other classes can get - but it was fun. nowhere near as good as a conventional SNB DPS BO, but fun. BO lacks parry, however, and you do feel it.

Hello again fellow Borcs,

I’ve been sinking a lot of time into Black Orc and I wanted to get some info from people with better experience.
What are some good tactic setups if I want to utilise YSMBD as a DPS SNB? Stab you Gooder & Gork Smash are a given since they are staple tactics for doing damage with T’ree hit combo. Normally I’d also slot Good Wiv Shield and all renown into block to have a nice solid 29-31% block rate.

Now comes the issue with the last tactic slot. Normally I would slot Big Brawlin in the last slot because it’s so damn useful. But I feel I should drop this for YSMBD but then I don’t have that juicy snare spam tactic. Anyone else have any experience with slotting YSMBD into a DPS SNB build? I’d like to be able to utilise YSMBD within the build without having to fully spec and slot my character for it.

If I am going to drop Big Brawlin for YSMBD then should I just respec and pick up the 9 point KD instead?
Thanks[

1) If you're going SNB, I think loudmouth is better than SYG as it procs almost all the time - regardless of crit or not - and is roughly an extra 200- dmg consistently.

2) AoE snare is compulsory in any build imo. YSMBD is compulsory for RvR, but you can get away with not using it in sc/smallscale (i never use it tbh, but we have a very good chosen. also bear in mind that morale gains have increased too).

3) If you really want to use YSMBD, then you want to swap out the block for it so that you can use aoe snare, gork smash and loudmouth. if you find yourself dying too easily, swap loudmouth for block.

1) Can't Hit Me, this used to be 9 points in the Toughest tree didn't it? When did it move up to 13? Really miss this from my build as a way to ease the stress for the healers, it was irritating enough on live that WODS on the SM was core, but now I can't get it at all

2) Block in general, gear levels were higher on live naturally, but I recall having between 50-60% block. On RoR I have 31%, despite using the 10% tactic (which I never ran on live), 7% from Ruin and 10% from RR. That puts my basic block level at 4%, which can't be right surely? Even with a lower gear level that's one hell of a big drop, has there been some big change to block rates in RoR I'm not aware of?

1) It was rearranged so that the knockdown became more accessible to different builds. Given that CHM is only really good in PvE, most will agree this was a buff.

2) It's probably just gear. Get the block cloak from BFP lair, block green belt (think its enervating?), ruin, block in rr, a good shield with 2% block from scenarios, block tactic = more than enough block for current game.

[Freyn]

1) It was rearranged so that the knockdown became more accessible to different builds. Given that CHM is only really good in PvE, most will agree this was a buff.

2) It's probably just gear. Get the block cloak from BFP lair, block green belt (think its enervating?), ruin, block in rr, a good shield with 2% block from scenarios, block tactic = more than enough block for current game.

It does have it's uses in PvP, if you're low on HP it can buy time for a heal, useful for preventing guard damage or holding a tank wall etc, but overall I do agree it's main use is PvE ... to the extent it really would make more sense as a core ability rather than 13 point (top of the tree ones should be really useful after all, to make it worth the points investment and cut off from so many builds), but oh well.

4% as a basic amount from a T4 shields block rating seems incredibly low is all, even with RR factored in it's less than I have parry and I've put no investment in that. 30-40% difference between RoR / WaR is way more than seems right just due to dropping from Warlord level down to Ruin. The gear alone certainly doesn't have that much block on it. RR = 10%, Tactic = 10% (altho as said, never ran it before), and most any item has on it is 2% iirc which would mean a max of 16% from gear (2% on each armour piece, cloak and shield) thats only 36%... seems a huge drop, maybe it's just me.

[peterthepan3]

There's also an ability in toughest that increases your block/parry by 10% when in best plan (only useful for defensive tank imo, can't afford to sacrifice any tactic for it otherwise)

[Freyn]

Ye, tactic slots are in short supply, was a difficult choice to work in Good Wif Shield to begin with.