[PTS] Patch Notes 28/02/2025

[Bozzax]

Spoiler:

Incoming and outgoing heal buff for the most played healer on top of a order only passive +15% from knight and +5% passive crits.

What can go wrong? (1,2 x 1,25 x 1,15 x 1,025* on top of the go ol' dest mostly group absorb advantage)

I think this patch just needs to be pushed on server so they can start cleaning up the mess after.

Ps. well it is pretty much the peak hour dist as well so no need to point out that these are off hours chart

[Nameless]

Spoiler:

Incoming and outgoing heal buff for the most played healer on top of a order only passive +15% from knight and +5% passive crits.

What can go wrong?

I think this patch just needs to be pushed on server so they can start cleaning up the mess after.

Ps. well it is pretty much the peak hour dist as well so no need to point out that these are off hours charts
Ds. Not to mention 40-50% of dest tanks play chosen 24/7 and "everything is fine" and "most balanced the games has ever been" tm

Spoiler:

Are you really quote a sample size of 19 and 29 as something meaningful.
Imo dok/wp changes are decent ones, am/shaman ones are borderline op but need real ingame testing to see.
The real problem is that zealot/rp had bad changes. The idea to make rituals a healing mechanic is not bad but the way it is set atm is pretty lacking.

Imo could be made better, allow different rituals from same zealot to stack add 15 sec shared cd between them and 20 sec individual duration so u could run fine even with single ritual but if you take second you can stack 2 for 5 sec using double heal and 2 effects at same time.
Along with that the range of rituals should be min 80 fts, the heal ticks could stay 5 sec since you could stack 2 rituals within 5 sec period so 4 tick which is big powerplay
That how you engage ppl to use rituals, add some tactical aspect when to choose to stack them. Much better imo

Ps if u really want to make rp/zl appealing fix marks recast after each loading, that is tiresome and make ppl stop playing these classes

[Bozzax]

As I said these are around the clock distributions more or less ;D

What can go wrong with inc and outgoing heal buffs?
(1,2 x 1,25 x 1,15 x 1,025* on top of the go ol' dest mostly group absorb advantage)

AM will be op thanks to Wild healing and a shiny fire and forget new group HOT yes Shaman is nerfed again a bit hard to see how shaman changes actually plays out with new min mechnic and no easy mode group HOT (I suspect they will be very tactic starved as a result of design intention)

[leftayparxoun]

Ps. well it is pretty much the peak hour dist as well so no need to point out that these are off hours charts

I think that the time-averaged population percentages are a more representative value than just picking one peak hour distribution.
Taken also from https://maartenson.net/ror_graph.html, here's how they compare:


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Here Warrior Priest is at a more reasonable 38.5% (instead of 47% from that snapshot). Order 60+ healers are overall quite balanced.
Shaman percentages on the other hand are at 45.1% (instead of 36%) and Destro has the biggest class number imbalances.

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vs

Again here Chosen is not nearly as prominent as in the snapshot, reaching an average percentage of 46% (instead of 59%). While Destro have the biggest class% imbalances here too (mainly due to very low BG numbers), KOTBS is also a bit overrepresented on Order side, compared to the IB and SM, having a 40.6% percentage.

Not to mention 40-50% of dest tanks play chosen 24/7 and "everything is fine" and "most balanced the games has ever been" tm

This is a really interesting statement because it touches upon game balancing philosophy topics.

Should game balance be based around the population numbers for each class or around trying to balance all classes equally?

• If people from a faction, on average, do not utilize all their given tools/classes, should the balance team do changes to equalize things with those preferences in mind or should they keep balance ignorant of player preferences?

• If they do decide to balance things with those preferences in mind, should the balancing focus on nerfing overrepresented classes (at the risk alienating players and temporarily weakening a faction until they adapt) or should it focus on buffing underrepresented classes to try and entice players? (at the risk of breaking the balance of comps with proper class distribution)

• Finally, should the rest of the dev team intentionally try to make the underrepresented classes more appealing to player outside balancing (e.g. by offering more/better looking cosmetics for those classes or by visually overhauling their abilities)? Or do they have no obligation to show favoritism with the goal of "fixing" the class population?

All those are interesting and valid questions in my opinion and I'm not sure what approach the balancing team should follow for ROR.

[Bozzax]

I was just to lazy to grab those but thanks for underscoring the point. Shaman numbers are beefed by being very very popular solo same for AM (a tad less popular) making WP numbers even worse than they seem.

[Nameless]

I was just to lazy to grab those but thanks for underscoring the point. Shaman numbers are beefed by being very popular solo same for AM making WP numbers even worse

Still dok and wp are quite similar but represented differently on their side. Ppl ignore visual and aesthetic appealing which drive many ppl. Wp is just arguably best looking healer on orders side while dok fall compared shaman. This imo play bigger role and most ppl interpret data wrong way

[Bozzax]

Yes WP (just better raw output) > Dok if that is what you say
Yes Shamans look cool as well
Yes Shamans > doks as a back bone dest healer atm which will change with new "dok exalted tactic +25% passive" / Gobbo racial nerf
They also are played a lot as a non healer like I said

[leftayparxoun]

What can go wrong with inc and outgoing heal buffs?
(1,2 x 1,25 x 1,15 x 1,025* on top of the go ol' dest mostly group absorb advantage)

The new WP tactic "United in Prayer" and RP's "Blessing of Grungni" (which do not stack together) are both additive with KOTB's "Focused Mending" tactic. WP's "Exalted Defenses" is also additive to the new "Word of Wisdom" ability buff.

So the final multiplier should be: x(1+0.25+0.15)x(1+0.20+0.25) = 2.03 (and not 2.16 as you calculated it)
Compared to the previous achievable multiplier (with a KOTBS+RP in party) of x(1+0.25+0.15)x(1+0.20) = 1.68
the "Word of Wisdom" buff basically increases their output by 20.8% when active.

[Bozzax]

I didn't even include BoG since there won't be a RP in your group anymore (It also clearly will not stack with UP)
No intention to give the wrong formula the point remains (Lazy mostly)

[leftayparxoun]

I didn't even include BoG since there won't be a RP in your group anymore (It also clearly will not stack with UP)
No intention to give the wrong formula the point remains

All good. Just clarifying for anyone who might read the formula and get the wrong idea about it.
I also agree with the "ship it asap" statement, but I believe one more update that tackles the Zealot/RP issues should happen before that (as also hinted by the balance team notes on the PTS Update 1)