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Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:02 am
by Tesq
Totaly remove aoe heals is fool but nerf both damage an heal for same % so that character will feel more durable could be nice so that the elastic healrh bar effevt can be mitigate a little, but this would make ppl angry at tank durability so i could understand where the hate came from.
Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:06 am
by Linae
No. It doesn't deserve any testing. Anyone with even remotely half a brain can figure out that this would not turn it into a more fast=paced tactical game as everyone will be spending more time running back from WC or spawn point than fighting. You can't have AOE dps and no AOE heals. Can't even believe I'm responding to this post as it's so ridiculous.
Aquilon wrote:Minds blown.
And some aggressive assumptions made. Can't think out of the box, huh?
My suggestion deserves some testing, at least. Without heals WaR turns into fast-paced, more tactical game, where coordination and personal skill become very important. Nothing like boredom.
I bet, few have such experience. Sadly.
talissera wrote:
No. Without AoE heal all damagers with AoE will have carte blanche to :| anything just because damage >> heal. I clearly saw it on t2 with my priest. It was the elf keep, and our WB tried to assault it 50 min. Crowd WB against crowd WB. Destro side has a bunch of sorcs which crushes us with shattered shadows. We couldn't do anything. In that moment I had 20 lvl and aoe heal. Since they relied only on aoe damage, we could mitigate damage and wiped the keep. We had 1-1.5 WB, they have 2-3 parties.
However since exp/ren nerf of healers, I think there will be far less healers, just because it is hard and boring to train them (=
Thing is - without heal Sorcs can be easily taken down.
Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:34 am
by Minerva
Broseidon wrote:Aquilon wrote:i propose turning aoe-heal off. At least for testing the impact of this.
So you wish to remove the entire Warrior Priest and Disciple of Khaine classes?
My Archmage would like that very much
Linae wrote:No. It doesn't deserve any testing. Anyone with even remotely half a brain can figure out that this would not turn it into a more fast=paced tactical game as everyone will be spending more time running back from WC or spawn point than fighting. You can't have AOE dps and no AOE heals. Can't even believe I'm responding to this post as it's so ridiculous.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Not to mention that by making healers obsolete you'd be getting rid of 1/4 of the available class choices and prob an even bigger percentage of the playerbase
Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:45 am
by Nishka
Vigfuss wrote:Go play an FPS game. In a game with no heals, all you have is ranged dps. There is skill involved in killing players who are being healed.
He didn't propose to turn off heal, his proposal was to turn off
AOE heal.
AOE heal involves no thinking, tactical thought or mechanical skill. It's mindless button-mashing.
That's why YES. The game would be better without
aoe heals.
Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:58 pm
by Foltestik
did sameone remember start of choppas and slayers on live servers
was like 12 slayers vs 12 choppas awsome scenarios:D
Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:10 pm
by talissera
Aquilon wrote:Minds blown.
And some aggressive assumptions made. Can't think out of the box, huh?
My suggestion deserves some testing, at least. Without heals WaR turns into fast-paced, more tactical game, where coordination and personal skill become very important. Nothing like boredom.
I bet, few have such experience. Sadly.
talissera wrote:
No. Without AoE heal all damagers with AoE will have carte blanche to :| anything just because damage >> heal. I clearly saw it on t2 with my priest. It was the elf keep, and our WB tried to assault it 50 min. Crowd WB against crowd WB. Destro side has a bunch of sorcs which crushes us with shattered shadows. We couldn't do anything. In that moment I had 20 lvl and aoe heal. Since they relied only on aoe damage, we could mitigate damage and wiped the keep. We had 1-1.5 WB, they have 2-3 parties.
However since exp/ren nerf of healers, I think there will be far less healers, just because it is hard and boring to train them (=
Thing is - without heal Sorcs can be easily taken down.
Okay, what about other brainless aoe damage like a pack of slayers?
Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:46 pm
by Rebuke
Minerva wrote:Broseidon wrote:Aquilon wrote:i propose turning aoe-heal off. At least for testing the impact of this.
So you wish to remove the entire Warrior Priest and Disciple of Khaine classes?
My Archmage would like that very much
Linae wrote:No. It doesn't deserve any testing. Anyone with even remotely half a brain can figure out that this would not turn it into a more fast=paced tactical game as everyone will be spending more time running back from WC or spawn point than fighting. You can't have AOE dps and no AOE heals. Can't even believe I'm responding to this post as it's so ridiculous.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Not to mention that by making healers obsolete you'd be getting rid of 1/4 of the available class choices and prob an even bigger percentage of the playerbase
I vote yes! About damn time you started playing your WL more actively
Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:21 pm
by Scottx125
I support the equal reduction of damage and heals, but AOE heals are essential to the full heal tree, and removing it will significantly nerf heal spec to the point people will just go DPS healers.
Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:34 am
by Aquilon
Linae wrote:No. It doesn't deserve any testing. Anyone with even remotely half a brain can figure out that this would not turn it into a more fast=paced tactical game as everyone will be spending more time running back from WC or spawn point than fighting. You can't have AOE dps and no AOE heals. Can't even believe I'm responding to this post as it's so ridiculous.
Not as ridiculous, as you put it. Most AOE damage dealers are extremly squishy and can not do any real damage, unless beeing ignored and forgotten. Just a top priority target - that's it.
Runnig from WC? Yes, some real punishment for dying...and promotion for tactical thinking, situational awareness and cooperation.
Broseidon wrote:Aquilon wrote:i propose turning aoe-heal off. At least for testing the impact of this.
So you wish to remove the entire Warrior Priest and Disciple of Khaine classes?
Nah, AOE-heal should remain in pve. And healers can go dd or, most importantly, single target heal in rvr\sc.
Re: More heals - less fun
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:54 am
by TenTonHammer
Aquilon wrote:
Not as ridiculous, as you put it. Most AOE damage dealers are extremly squishy and can not do any real damage, unless beeing ignored and forgotten. Just a top priority target - that's it.
Runnig from WC? Yes, some real punishment for dying...and promotion for tactical thinking, situational awareness and cooperation.
Nah, AOE-heal should remain in pve. And healers can go dd or, most importantly, single target heal in rvr\sc.
extreamly squishy?
what is guard
also lol @ aoe healing for pve