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Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:27 pm
by satanicomoderno
BG need a serious nerf on it's throw away ability. The rest it's ok.
Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:28 pm
by zabis
satanicomoderno wrote:BG need a serious nerf on it's throw away ability. The rest it's ok.
I take it you mean super-punt?
Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:32 pm
by Penril
Just a suggestion. I dont play BG anymore (focusing on Chosen). So good luck to all the other BGs, hopefully something can be done that makes both sides happy.
Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:33 pm
by Penril
zabis wrote:satanicomoderno wrote:BG need a serious nerf on it's throw away ability. The rest it's ok.
I take it you mean super-punt?
I take it you mean Exile?
Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:33 pm
by Mez
It's these kind of posts that are going to make Azarael crazy and this forum convaluted for all time. Can we at least wait until Tier 4 is said and done before RADICAL class changes. I get people asking for things like, "omg rift is destroying the server with such a lack of dedicated players, I know we can't remove it, but can we at least fix it back to live's version." <<reasonable.
WHite Lion's have no-anytime cc, and they are freakn' melee. The game isn't always in neat categories to understand.
And just for your information, 2H is a joke, but in the hands of a good player, it is the last thing I want to see in my backlines. THE LAST.
1. It has armor and survivability, meaning it can walk through to my rune priest, and me calling out on vent, there's a blackguard back here, doesn't exactly mean a dps can turn back and save me, as if it were a witch elf or choppa.
2. It has a 20 second outgoing healdebuff my runepriest can't cleanse. If you actually get me snared, or champ challeneged, and apply it, the entire party is no longer getting heals, I am healing myself, and frantically. Why? See #3
3. GOOD 2h Blackguards (currently almost none in the game, Zabis occasionally will do this though), equips the no-detaunt tactic. This means you have DOUBLED your damage verse my runepriest, and in an environment where I have 1/2 healing. Not to mention, You are :| my AP pool and debuffing my toughness, willpower, chance to be crit, and more.
Fact: There's a 2H blackguard in a Scenario. My first ability in the SC is to detaunt him just to see if I can.
K, go back to your pastures and keep takes, thanks for listening.
Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:37 pm
by Penril
Someone got soloed by a BG.
(sorry Mez i had to

yeah BGs are the bane of RPs)
Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:47 pm
by War
Azarael wrote:The simplest solution is to make blade of ruin into a mirror of cave in, which would also encourage bg's to spec an ability that they would otherwise never touch
Blade of Ruin is a 5pt ability with no weapon requirement which requires Block or Parry. Guard feeds this requirement to all tanks for free, so you're essentially granting another KD to S&B BGs, not just the two-handed ones. If you want a conditional KD depending on whether the user has a two-hander equipped, I can do that, but you need to decide if having this ability at 5pts is balanced.
Just wanted to point that out. I'm all for giving use to useless abilities.
Having a 2h exclusive KD at 5 points would be fine. It would improve the lacking 2h spec and would have no impact on the S&B setup. 2h BGs are in dire need of a KD that is accessible by every other tank class in the game. It would be great to throw on a glaive and not feel silly for having to abandon the KD.
It's makes the situation more depressing when you can just log over to an IB and feel good about using a 2h with Cave-In and Great Weapon Mastery.
Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:48 pm
by Mez
it can be literally anything. I say the same for my BW. the no detaunt tactic yields the most damage of any tactic in the game. Its probably the most powerful ability in the game.
I know 80% if you guys don't detaunt, but then you wouldnt matter anyways. It's the 2/10 GOOD players who do, that you want to kill. The other 80% of the nubs, it doesnt matter what class you have. You always spec to beat the premades. Everything else is moot.
Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:50 pm
by Mez
Penril wrote:Someone got soloed by a BG.
(sorry Mez i had to

yeah BGs are the bane of RPs)
It's my way of asking everyone reading that to play better.
Re: 2H BG needs access to a knockdown
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 5:51 pm
by Azarael
Mez wrote:It's these kind of posts that are going to make Azarael crazy...
I don't mind seeing suggestions that are not utterly stupid. It's the idiotic ones that are going nowhere that annoy me.
